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Gorilla Gear burrs in a Niche Zero
Can’t help but think of this :
The burr arguments - time for more than one grinder, In fact a flat needn’t cost much more than these GG burrs. But say some one gets a flat. Next question is weigh in or use the hopper? They need different grind settings. The same would probably happen with a Kony. It does with a Robur.
Niche and adjustment - I’d say ease is the major aspect not latitude. ½ a dot here is significant. The problem with others is the difficulty in making that fine an adjustment.
Then just what can be done to change the taste profile of conical. The usually major change is number of flutes and the entry are for the beans to fall into. Both relate to the diameter used, The cone angle of the centre burr could be changed and that just on it’s own would probably change grinding rate.
How many prototypes have been made to determine the best profile? Can some one come up for physical reasons for them giving a different taste? They can on flat. Some are more aggressive than others. Diameter alters the g force that drives the basic aspects of the way they grind. Popcorning can result in grinds appearing some way from the grinder. Not on conical.
AC motored grinders will grind faster in the USA than in the UK unless the burrs are changed.
So I’m a cynic - with good reason.
Cuprajake I understand. Hard to play nice with a disgrace of a human, though. Since my initial comment, there have been members here who have privately messaged me on IG to recount times dfk was so horrible to them it onset depression. Counts of misogyny, racism, and more. Happy to play nice but not with someone who has had such a horrible fingerprint on the lives of others. Perhaps someone like him simply shouldn’t “play” at all.
Funny this forum touts itself as nice when someone like him is lurking around.
Being “old and grumpy” isn’t an excuse to be belligerent and demeaning.
I’ll await the fate of this comment.
Cheers
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lancehedrick it’s a right of passage, if dfk hasn’t offended you then your not allowed to pass on to the forum
^ edited to point out this was a joke, to point out that dfk can be aggressive.
Everyone can have their opinion, take all of it with a lump of salt, it’s coffee it’s a forum etc sticks and stones
Not worth getting riled and posting stuff in anger been there done that. Not worth the headache.
One thing I’d like to see is testing on the new Weber wafo baskets as you said in your Evo vid all coffee channels. So be interesting as the visuals of some of these baskets are horrid and go against what we’ve been taught
If also like to see the Weber basket Vs their unifliter too
Then ask them to make a bloody 54mm version
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Oh dear! lancehedrick, and any one who may have directly, indirectly, knowingly or unknowingly personally hurting each other.
Could we draw draw this to a close please? I thought we have moved on. Alas! we haven’t; this is so sad as this is descending into personal attacks and insults.
We pride ourselves being a very open and a knowledgeable forum respecting each other as individuals. We still are. Let’s play and behave as matured adults, shall we?
Cuprajake hard to ignore such actions when someone has literally had to seek therapy because he bullied them relentlessly on the previous forum. That’s not something I can ignore.
I’m going to leave coffeetime as long as he is here and unapologetically the way he is.
Doesn’t hurt my feelings- it pisses me off. So, cheers. Not a fan of people (in this case a forum) defending, even if not directly, an objectively bad person.
Cheers
lancehedrick hard to ignore such actions when someone has literally had to seek therapy because he bullied them relentlessly on the previous forum. That’s not something I can ignore.
That’s not actually true or what happened , but I’m not going to say more than that.
Wow just wow
Lance has just publicly slated the forum on Instagram,
Think we all know who’s been whispering in his ear, not even forum members
I see that the hate is still going strong, the back stabbing and general bull shittery that happens and destroyed cfuck.
lancehedrick If you do read this my post was tongue in cheek I was actually calling dfk a dick.
What you have been told is one side. I’d suggest you try and find the other side out before openly slating people you don’t even know.
I’ve sent you a pm too, but you didn’t respond to me. Happy to discuss but I presume that won’t happen.
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lancehedrick I’m sorry to hear that @lancehedrick I’ve similarly had my ideas given in good faith stolen. It’s frustrating. Nowadays that doesn’t happen because I’m a lot tougher than I used to be. Maybe your thanks are in coffee heaven if the burrs turn out as I and @tompoland anticipate on the basis of limited trials
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lancehedrick not a sly dig at you @lancehedrick not at all. In fact I posted a very supportive comment on YT and on this forum of your Vostock review.
As someone who was run out of HB by the pitchfork brigade I know a little, but only a tiny bit, of the xxxx you must put up with.
In preparation for a review on a grinder I started a thread on Home Barista asking members what they would like to know about any particular grinder (I did the same here). Some genius Googled my name because my avatar is the same and discovered that I was a marketer and that I had given a couple of hundred interviews on marketing.
It was a very minor equivalent to “he’s black + running = guilty” so let’s get the shotgun.
In my case “he’s a marketer + posting = gulity” so let’s shut him down.
As soon as said genius identified me as a marketer by profession, some members formed a posse and grabbed the lynching ropes. It was a very unpleasant glimpse into human nastiness.
Guilty until proven innocent.
Worse, admin arbitrarily shut the thread down without, as he later admitted, zero reference to my history of posts and without a “please explain” DM.
And that’s exactly my beef with people who post to the effect that reviewers/influencers as a group can’t be trusted.
That because they are reviewing and/or promoting a product that they must be committing errors of omission or commission and embellishing or hyping or trying to pull the wool over our eyes or mislead somehow. Some will be, some won’t. Let’s not stereotype, generalise or fall into the trap of profiling.
And while I’m at it, the other beef I have is with people who post to the effect “oh well you’re an influencer so I guess you knew what you were getting in to”, as if that somehow gives everyone in the world a permission slip to throw s*** at them. There can be a human cost to that.
Anyone who thinks like that, has probably spent all their time in the grandstand and exactly zero time on the field, playing the game of reviewing.
One of my favorite quotes
Well said tompoland I’ve followed @lancehedrick from the beginning and he’s genuine. For me coffee is a lovely nerdy hobby that I really enjoy but omg the keyboard warrior stuff? For a bloody hobby? What’s wrong with people. Life’s way too short
You get it in all walks of life where people can make money.
They either leach off you or are jealous of you
Too many have too many fingers in pies
Personally I’m getting sick and tired of forum after forum being destroyed by people arguing and it is about money, regardless of what is said.
Re home barista forum. You cannot say your piece I was openly called a liar by a manufacturer, and when I responded I was shut down! By a mod ons breads buttered on the correct side for them ££££
I’m seriously thinking of fucking off all the YouTube shite, Instagram and all that shit. Let’s not forget without us as consumers the ‘reviewrs’ have no audience.
Fwiw I’m being blanked by lance on pm, 🤷
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tompoland As someone who was run out of HB by the pitchfork brigade…
It’s not a very exclusive club :-)
Cuprajake Personally I’m getting sick and tired of forum after forum being destroyed by people arguing and it is about money, regardless of what is said.
CFUK was a haven in this respect for most of its time (compared to H-B & CG), then when that went downhill/was sold off, this forum was pretty free of it (though we can disagree openly & still get on). This is perhaps the thread with the worst of it I have seen here. Hopefully now that can be allowed to pass like water under the bridge now.
So…I recall we were talking about the Gorilla gear burrs…?
Totally agree
I’ve seen only a few things but we sort it peacefully.
Did either of you have bad burrs in the sense some on Facebook had really rough casting
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Cuprajake Did either of you have bad burrs in the sense some on Facebook had really rough casting
mine are all good Jake. Producing stellar espresso. So far I’ve only tried it with medium and med/dark. Just waiting for son to arrive with his Niche so I can do side by side comparisons but at this stage it seems that there are less fines and brighter flavor.
lancehedrick It seems the niche burrs tend to create larger fines.
Unquestionably true. Which is why some love them and some hate them. And I totally understand both camps.
Personally, when I got my first Niche, I was drinking dark roast espresso and loved the muddy/chocolate espresso style that it produced and that’s probably doubly true of dark roast/milk drinkers. And given that something like 90% of cafe-frequenting espresso customers prefer a darker roast with milk (at least here in Australia), its no wonder that the likes of David Schomer replaced his Vicace cafe’s grinders with a line up of Niche Zero’s. He removed the lids and taped plastic cones to the top so they became hopper grinders! I have no idea how they fared with commercial use but for his Milanese style of espresso, he swears by the Niche. There is a very funny video of his set up on YT somewhere but I searched and could not find it.
But for me, the further I’ve gone down the rabbit hole, the more I appreciate medium and medium/light espresso and so the more I’ve moved away from the niche burrs for use with the Decent I have the wonderful 64mm flat Ditting burrs in the Moca SD. That in part was my motivation for trying the GG burrs.
Horses for courses.
tompoland I have been enjoying my niche, even with light roasts but that probably have to do with the fact I’ve paired it with a decent and the types of profiles I’m doing.
Also nothing to compare against except my SSP ode gen 2.
Maybe one day I’ll have a decent espresso centric flat burr to compare against.