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Wow just wow

Lance has just publicly slated the forum on Instagram,

Think we all know who’s been whispering in his ear, not even forum members

I see that the hate is still going strong, the back stabbing and general bull shittery that happens and destroyed cfuck.

lancehedrick If you do read this my post was tongue in cheek I was actually calling dfk a dick.

What you have been told is one side. I’d suggest you try and find the other side out before openly slating people you don’t even know.

I’ve sent you a pm too, but you didn’t respond to me. Happy to discuss but I presume that won’t happen.

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lancehedrick I’m sorry to hear that @lancehedrick I’ve similarly had my ideas given in good faith stolen. It’s frustrating. Nowadays that doesn’t happen because I’m a lot tougher than I used to be. Maybe your thanks are in coffee heaven if the burrs turn out as I and @tompoland anticipate on the basis of limited trials

lancehedrick not a sly dig at you @lancehedrick not at all. In fact I posted a very supportive comment on YT and on this forum of your Vostock review.

As someone who was run out of HB by the pitchfork brigade I know a little, but only a tiny bit, of the xxxx you must put up with.

In preparation for a review on a grinder I started a thread on Home Barista asking members what they would like to know about any particular grinder (I did the same here). Some genius Googled my name because my avatar is the same and discovered that I was a marketer and that I had given a couple of hundred interviews on marketing.

It was a very minor equivalent to “he’s black + running = guilty” so let’s get the shotgun.

In my case “he’s a marketer + posting = gulity” so let’s shut him down.

As soon as said genius identified me as a marketer by profession, some members formed a posse and grabbed the lynching ropes. It was a very unpleasant glimpse into human nastiness.

Guilty until proven innocent.

Worse, admin arbitrarily shut the thread down without, as he later admitted, zero reference to my history of posts and without a “please explain” DM.

And that’s exactly my beef with people who post to the effect that reviewers/influencers as a group can’t be trusted.

That because they are reviewing and/or promoting a product that they must be committing errors of omission or commission and embellishing or hyping or trying to pull the wool over our eyes or mislead somehow. Some will be, some won’t. Let’s not stereotype, generalise or fall into the trap of profiling.

And while I’m at it, the other beef I have is with people who post to the effect “oh well you’re an influencer so I guess you knew what you were getting in to”, as if that somehow gives everyone in the world a permission slip to throw s*** at them. There can be a human cost to that.

Anyone who thinks like that, has probably spent all their time in the grandstand and exactly zero time on the field, playing the game of reviewing.

One of my favorite quotes

    Well said tompoland I’ve followed @lancehedrick from the beginning and he’s genuine. For me coffee is a lovely nerdy hobby that I really enjoy but omg the keyboard warrior stuff? For a bloody hobby? What’s wrong with people. Life’s way too short

      You get it in all walks of life where people can make money.

      They either leach off you or are jealous of you

      Too many have too many fingers in pies

      Personally I’m getting sick and tired of forum after forum being destroyed by people arguing and it is about money, regardless of what is said.

      Re home barista forum. You cannot say your piece I was openly called a liar by a manufacturer, and when I responded I was shut down! By a mod ons breads buttered on the correct side for them ££££

      I’m seriously thinking of fucking off all the YouTube shite, Instagram and all that shit. Let’s not forget without us as consumers the ‘reviewrs’ have no audience.

      Fwiw I’m being blanked by lance on pm, 🤷

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        tompoland As someone who was run out of HB by the pitchfork brigade…

        It’s not a very exclusive club :-)

        Cuprajake Personally I’m getting sick and tired of forum after forum being destroyed by people arguing and it is about money, regardless of what is said.

        CFUK was a haven in this respect for most of its time (compared to H-B & CG), then when that went downhill/was sold off, this forum was pretty free of it (though we can disagree openly & still get on). This is perhaps the thread with the worst of it I have seen here. Hopefully now that can be allowed to pass like water under the bridge now.

        So…I recall we were talking about the Gorilla gear burrs…?

          Totally agree

          I’ve seen only a few things but we sort it peacefully.

          @tompoland Grahamsphillips

          Did either of you have bad burrs in the sense some on Facebook had really rough casting

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            Cuprajake You cannot say your piece I was openly called a liar by a manufacturer, and when I responded I was shut down!

            sounds familiar

            Cuprajake Did either of you have bad burrs in the sense some on Facebook had really rough casting

            mine are all good Jake. Producing stellar espresso. So far I’ve only tried it with medium and med/dark. Just waiting for son to arrive with his Niche so I can do side by side comparisons but at this stage it seems that there are less fines and brighter flavor.

            MWJB It’s not a very exclusive club :-)

            This is actually very true, I was speaking to Douglas Weber of EG-1/Key fame, at the coffee expo in Melbourne (seems like a very genuine guy, talking to all the punters) and he, like many of us, just doesn’t go there anymore.

            lancehedrick It seems the niche burrs tend to create larger fines.

            Unquestionably true. Which is why some love them and some hate them. And I totally understand both camps.

            Personally, when I got my first Niche, I was drinking dark roast espresso and loved the muddy/chocolate espresso style that it produced and that’s probably doubly true of dark roast/milk drinkers. And given that something like 90% of cafe-frequenting espresso customers prefer a darker roast with milk (at least here in Australia), its no wonder that the likes of David Schomer replaced his Vicace cafe’s grinders with a line up of Niche Zero’s. He removed the lids and taped plastic cones to the top so they became hopper grinders! I have no idea how they fared with commercial use but for his Milanese style of espresso, he swears by the Niche. There is a very funny video of his set up on YT somewhere but I searched and could not find it.

            But for me, the further I’ve gone down the rabbit hole, the more I appreciate medium and medium/light espresso and so the more I’ve moved away from the niche burrs for use with the Decent I have the wonderful 64mm flat Ditting burrs in the Moca SD. That in part was my motivation for trying the GG burrs.

            Horses for courses.

              tompoland I have been enjoying my niche, even with light roasts but that probably have to do with the fact I’ve paired it with a decent and the types of profiles I’m doing.

              Also nothing to compare against except my SSP ode gen 2.

              Maybe one day I’ll have a decent espresso centric flat burr to compare against.

                LMSC

                Hi when you said that u use a 5 to 6bdegree offset in rhe evo between bree boiler and grouphead, do u mean u set the boiler 5 to 6bdegrees higher than the grouphead? The nurri has a Teflon pad to insulate the grouphead from the boiler apparently I believe in order to disconnect both temperature wise so I’m not sure eif thta makes any diff.

                  chlorox do u mean u set the boiler 5 to 6bdegrees higher than the grouphead?

                  Yes, that’s correct. The insulation is there on the Evo too; however, there are heat losses in moving water from the boiler to the group, which is why an offset of 6-8 degrees keeps temperature in the group stable.

                    dfk41

                    I have looked over your comments on lance hedrick which was not known to me before and I you implying impropriety on his part iwithout clear evidence s totally unacceptable. You should have apologised to him and that brouhaha was entirely avoidable…

                    CoyoteOldMan

                    Thanks I may change my practice then and make a similar offset too to see any difference. Currently the offset is only about 3 degrees.

                      tompoland

                      Agree fully…we have to moderate the tone of our comments and be aware that no man is an island…we are all here for the fun of it and let’s make it fun for others too to interact with us…

                      tompoland Personally, when I got my first Niche, I was drinking dark roast espresso and loved the muddy/chocolate espresso style that it produced and that’s probably doubly true of dark roast/milk drinkers.

                      I suppose from my post in this thread some might conclude that I think influencers are evil. Not so. It’s more of a case they suggest journeys in some direction or the other but in real terms people wont know what it means until they take it.

                      My thoughts on Niche when I had it new using a dark roast was that taste wasn’t correct. Nothing like it should be. Somewhat Costa. I was told use would improve the grind, It did and taste improved. Probably so slowly I didn’t really notice once the initial harshness went, I use various beans at times but stayed away from light. I tried those after something over 10kg had gone through it and didn’t have much of a problem getting the flavours mentioned by the roasters.

                      I’d be inclined to put the harshness down to too much fines. Results as new – I’ve done better with an SGP ;) but only with the hopper on. No review really mentioned this aspect of Niche. I experienced it so there is no point people telling me it doesn’t do this. I’ve used several grinder and rate some and not others but that is base on use. Also HU burrs.

                      ;) The harshness - I do like strong coffee. It made a change for a while.