• Grinders
  • Gorilla Gear burrs in a Niche Zero

Dang missed opportunity. Hoping they’ll do a 83mm conical version eventually.

They currently make 63mm and 71mm conicals plus various flats including 1× 83mm which would be interesting in a DF83.

I’ve had these burrs in for about two weeks at this point. I like to play with preinfusion and flow profiling to test beans with higher extraction techniques, and the niche mazzers nearly always delivered more bitterness when pulling shots outside of a standard espresso profile. The GGs have delivered a noticeable improvement in both standard 8-6 bar pulls, but especially the experimental pulls. They’ve been a success for me.

    washed That very much echoes what @tompoland says. I like them too but the bloody hassle with the grinder clogging and stalling? Not so much! Let’s hope John from GG can sort me out!

      No offence intended but the niche burrs were never really intended to be anything but traditional espresso.

      So it stands to reason the wouldn’t work the best for light no traditional beans and rations

      Still say flat burrs are better for that

      Decent De1pro v1.45 - Niche Duo - Niche Zero - Decent is the best machine ever made -

        Cuprajake

        Absolutely, and I’m not trying to knock the niche for what it excels at. I’m just trying to shine more light on why someone with a niche might be interested in the GGs.

        I originally had a specialita but grew tired of the adjustment mechanism for switching beans and brews. I sold it before getting the niche as a matter of budget necessity. I knew the Niche would throw more fines, but I did not adequately expect the extent to which it did.

        Grahamsphillips

        Gaggia Classic with full, up-do-date Gaggiuino mod installed.

        I’ve only had clogging with super light washed roasts. I’m currently grinding a light roasted natural process and haven’t had an issue with it.

        Grahamsphillips I don’t have a power meter. Not sure it’s worth buying one just for this. I

        It might be of interest and they needn’t cost much eg

        ;) Might encourage you to switch some items off on standby at night.

        The anti popcorn disk. No harm in removing it. It’s addition didn’t cause any general comments from users and those were happy before it was introduced. It was a subject bought up by some one on youtube who has a large following. I have toyed with the idea of feeding one bean at a time in with the disk on to see if the grinder setting remains the same but decided to not waste my time - it might need different grinder setting. Either way it doesn’t get round the fact that the Niche is a good grinder as it comes.

          tompoland could it be that I like light to medium roast beans and you’re preference is for darker roasts? John Gordon has acknowledged the problem. Someone on Home Barista had a similar experience. In fact I’m finding it almost impossible to dial fine enough for espresso. I’ve recalibrated the NICHE - and even if I go below 0 on the dial I’m still getting a turbo shot on my Londinium

            @Grahamsphillips across beans or just one, ive had a bean recently that turbo no matter what an ethiopian

            Decent De1pro v1.45 - Niche Duo - Niche Zero - Decent is the best machine ever made -

            DavecUK They should be ok for a comparison and look similar to one my son bought a while ago. ;) He worked out what the freezer cost us to run. ;) Can’t turn it off though.

            Grahamsphillips

            I’ve had to redefine what “0” means with these burrs. The numbers after all are just serving as reference relative to the calibration point.

            I’ve found myself going past 0 enough that I’ve just moved the black ring back 10 so I can give myself more useful reference points. A few cm difference can mean dialing in perfectly and a gusher. There is probably just enough resolution here, but you have to be much more careful.

            One needs to throw out where beans are grinding with the GGs relative to the mazzers. You may need to go past zero. After doing calibration I then move the black ring 10 points back (where you could consider “0” as actually being “-10” if that were printed on the niche), just so I’m not having to set the grinder into the white space in front of the zero.

            The beans I’m using now are at 5-8, where 5 is fine enough to do a longer profile pull with preinfusion and 8-9 is a turbo shot. These would be off into the white area if I didn’t move the black ring back 10 after doing the normal calibration routine.

            And it is here that I kind of miss how much more forgiving the mazzers are in dialing in a bean.

              washed are you linked to the company?

              Only you joined no intro and straight into this discussion knowing an awful lot about them.

              Not a problem but transparency is always welcome 👍👍👍

              Decent De1pro v1.45 - Niche Duo - Niche Zero - Decent is the best machine ever made -

              I’m just a random bloke that only found out about this forum after Lance’s instagram post on the dfk guy. 😅

              Then I saw that a few people were talking about these burrs, so I thought I’d join in with my 2c.

                washed only found out about this forum after Lance’s in

                Perhaps it did us more good than the harm it was intended to do…..😁

                Grahamsphillips I think you hit the nail on the head.

                As per my plan, this morning I opened a bag of Light roast beans and ground and poured using the Moca SD and the Nurri.

                I then went to repeat the same with the Niche/GG and voila … clogged after about the first 3 grams were ground.

                These beans were 101 on the Tonino color analyser scale with puts them in the traditional Light category as opposed to the Third Wave or Nordic Light category.

                By happy coincidence I roasted several beans to different depths earlier this month with a view to freezing some around about now. So not only do I have Light beans ready but also City beans (95 on the Tonino scale being Medium/Light) as well as Medium beans (86) .

                Having clogged the Niche/GG with the Light beans, I next tried the City beans and the Niche/GG also clogged but this time after about 14 grams were ground. It’s worth noting that I didn’t RDT with these beans, just to remove a variable from the conclusion.

                Onto the Medium beans.

                No clogging. All good. No RDT.

                Thought I’d give the Mediums a second go, just in case. This time with RDT and it ground as per normal.

                Based on what @Grahamsphillips has experienced combined with the above, I suspect that we are fast reaching the conclusion that GG burrs in the Niche are a worthwhile upgrade for anyone wanting more brightness/flavor in their espresso from Medium to Dark beans.

                For my taste buds, the bump in flavor is well worth it but my guess is that the majority of medium/dark and dark roast drinkers will remain quite rightly delighted with their Kony burrs. However the GG burrs will simply clog the grinder for any beans lighter than Medium.

                Personally, given that I have the Niche/GG paired with a Leva for which I have a preference for medium beans, I’m OK with that. But I really would have preferred if I could have used the Niche/GG for City roasted beans too.

                Based on current information, I’d have to conclude that the GG burrs are therefore not as versatile as the standard Mazzer Kony burrs that are supplied standard with the Niche.

                GG burrs with…
                Dark beans OK
                Full City beans (medium/dark) OK
                Medium beans OK
                …………………………………………………….
                City beans (medum/light) CLOG
                Light beans CLOG