From DenisS previous comments here, on CFuk and elsewhere it has always seemed that he comments without a filter, presenting opinions as facts.I hope that is what has occurred here but even if that is the case he has quite wrongfully attacked DaveC.
It would appear that the influencer is calling in favours.
Meticulous
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I think your main point is a fair one. Equal penalty for an equal violation of rules.
Which I assume includes not slandering other members.
(Sorry, not great at reading rules, probably the Australian convict in me?).
Pointing out facts or comments and asking questions in a genuine attempt to understand is one thing, calling a member deceitful or a liar, well that’s something entirely different.
On the subject of the latest member ban; tolerance should not be extended to someone who comes in and accuses any of us of behaving in a manner that is “xxxxed up”, simply based on their ignorance.
Dave has made public his involvement in helping Niche on multiple forums for many years. To post to the effect that he’s been a duplicitous hypocrite who is undermining the efforts of non-Niche manufacturers, for my two bobs worth, justifies a ban. (Assuming I’m reading the post correctly.)
What makes the slander even worse, is that it’s directed at someone who has served the espresso community selflessly and tirelessly for many, many years. That really, really sucks.
Amberale To coin a phrase, that troll was definitely fed something containing worms
This post from the Decent Diaspora offsets my concerns re the temperate issues. Tx to Ira
There were 5 or 6 working machines at the SCA show. They seemed more than capable of being taken home and making fine espresso as is. They sure looked finished. And yet here we are on a Decent board using a machine that’s about as far from finished as the Meticulous seemed and it’s been shipping for how many years? Looking at the machine and watching it work over maybe 10 shots, a small sample, but enough to get a feel for how it works and what some of it’s issues are, Emily was demoing and more than willing to mention everything she considered unfinished. If I was looking for a machine to pull espresso, I think it’s quite likely to end up being one of the finest. It should be as temperature stable as anything and it’s ability to do programmed pressure and flow profiling is currently matched only by the Duval. It can within it’s volume limits and flat temperature profile do anything the Decent can do and exceed it in how slow it can flow and how fast it can flow. It’s also almost silent which many would consider a huge advantage. But it’s a single shot at a time machine, possibly a big disadvantage.
This is a one off comment fro me, and I will not reply further. There seems to be a widespread assumption, that I slandered LH. If I did, can someone show me where the term ‘liar’ came from please? It is true I do not like ‘influencers’. It is true I do like fact based reviews and can stand a little opinion in there. My spat with LH was simple. Off forum I questioned why he did not show the power brick on his grinder review as for a lot of people it would be a no no due to size/space issues. I received a flippant reply stating that his editor must have removed it from the final cut. I did not reply to that comment even though I did not believe it.
In any case, I already had an answer he gave to Dave, who had stated that he had done 3 video reviews of the same grinder, and in each review thought it important to let the viewer see the brick and make up his own mind. LH replied along the lines of, ‘Yeah, I decided not to show it in my video’
Dragging up old stuff is pointless,
Move on,
People will never see eye to eye
Just ignore
Let’s talk about other things.
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It would definitely appear so Dave.
The international On-line Coffee Wannkers Society is probably a lot smaller than it seems from forums.
There are probably 50 of us actively contributing, another 100 occasional voices and a couple of thousand lurkers.
The folks with real coffee knowledge rarely, if ever, contribute on line and I certainly make no claims to being one of them.
It saddens me to see such a helpful forum as this dragged through the gutters.
I am not without fault when it comes to online comments but I do try to hold back most of the time.
I must have missed the LH drama! Anyone have an impartial recollection of events? Seems weird that LH (or anyone in the public limelight) would blast a little forum like that 🙁
I’ll email you
Decent De1pro v1.45 - Niche Duo - Niche Zero - Decent is the best machine ever made -
Just a little bit, lol
tompoland Equal penalty for an equal violation of rules.
Which I assume includes not slandering other members.
Indeed, I brought it up to equate two incidents in the hope it could be de-escalated similarly, not to get back in to the original drama or take sides. I even emphasised it several times but some of the replies seem to have ignored this and got excited.
At the end of the day I value the range of opinions here but some topics just go around in complete circles with no appreciation for nuance.
tompoland Emily was demoing and more than willing to mention everything she considered unfinished
I’ve seen this mentioned from other testers too, including espressofun who said Carlos encouraged him to openly discuss the issues and bugs on his channel. Understand a machine still ironing out issues after it’s asked for funding is not for everyone but the company doesn’t seem to be hiding it’s flaws at least.
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This actually brings up another point from LH’s beautiful advertisement simping video. He mentions you can ‘measure a spring’ on a londinium or other lever machine, but pressure is a function of stuff like distance. You wouldn’t be able to say ‘i put 20lb pressure on my londinium over a metre travel, therefore this almost direct piston needs 20lb of pressure.’
2000 netwton per sq m= 0.2 bar.
200 bar per sq cm…….Portafilter is about 23 cm2
So actually 200/23 = 8.69 bar. So yes, I miscalculated.