I’ve got a pair of D13’s if Lance and Carlos need a power source for their machine. Marine tech, so very robust!

DavecUK According to their own marketing blurb its producing 2000 Newtons

“The way Meticulous handles pressure is what sets the machine apart. Instead of boiling water to generate mechanical energy, our 2,000-Newton digital motor pushes water directly over the coffee puck while making over 150 pressure adjustments per second. Whether it is keeping pressure constant at 9 bars or replicating sophisticated pressure profiles, Meticulous offers an unprecedented level of control”

I’m no coffee expert, but that doesn’t seem right to me. If it’s a 58mm basket, 2000 newtons will only give 7.97 bars of pressure.

      Rob666 20 years reviewing pro-audio equipment

      That gives you enormous credibility compared to some (no, not finger pointing in anyone’s direction) who seem to have made it their second hobby to slag influencers.

        capuchin I’m no coffee expert, but that doesn’t seem right to me. If it’s a 58mm basket, 2000 newtons will only give 7.97 bars of pressure.

        My calculations say it could probably produce about 10.2 bar, so I don’t believe there is a problem with the pressure it can produce. I do however wonder what the lifespan of the motor is going to be like. There is a lot of basic information that’s totally absent for example you’re having to assume it has a 58 millimeter basket, I really don’t know what size filter basket it uses?

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            DavecUK Assuming they are using a “standard” Matrix screen shower, i deduct that the basket is a 58mm,

              A screen shot from the Meticulous kickstarter page FAQ

              From DenisS previous comments here, on CFuk and elsewhere it has always seemed that he comments without a filter, presenting opinions as facts.I hope that is what has occurred here but even if that is the case he has quite wrongfully attacked DaveC.
              It would appear that the influencer is calling in favours.

                FadedFrontiers

                I think your main point is a fair one. Equal penalty for an equal violation of rules.

                Which I assume includes not slandering other members.

                (Sorry, not great at reading rules, probably the Australian convict in me?).

                Pointing out facts or comments and asking questions in a genuine attempt to understand is one thing, calling a member deceitful or a liar, well that’s something entirely different.

                On the subject of the latest member ban; tolerance should not be extended to someone who comes in and accuses any of us of behaving in a manner that is “xxxxed up”, simply based on their ignorance.

                Dave has made public his involvement in helping Niche on multiple forums for many years. To post to the effect that he’s been a duplicitous hypocrite who is undermining the efforts of non-Niche manufacturers, for my two bobs worth, justifies a ban. (Assuming I’m reading the post correctly.)

                What makes the slander even worse, is that it’s directed at someone who has served the espresso community selflessly and tirelessly for many, many years. That really, really sucks.

                    Amberale t has always seemed that he comments without a filter,

                    100%. As astute as always AA.

                      This post from the Decent Diaspora offsets my concerns re the temperate issues. Tx to Ira

                      There were 5 or 6 working machines at the SCA show. They seemed more than capable of being taken home and making fine espresso as is. They sure looked finished. And yet here we are on a Decent board using a machine that’s about as far from finished as the Meticulous seemed and it’s been shipping for how many years? Looking at the machine and watching it work over maybe 10 shots, a small sample, but enough to get a feel for how it works and what some of it’s issues are, Emily was demoing and more than willing to mention everything she considered unfinished. If I was looking for a machine to pull espresso, I think it’s quite likely to end up being one of the finest. It should be as temperature stable as anything and it’s ability to do programmed pressure and flow profiling is currently matched only by the Duval. It can within it’s volume limits and flat temperature profile do anything the Decent can do and exceed it in how slow it can flow and how fast it can flow. It’s also almost silent which many would consider a huge advantage. But it’s a single shot at a time machine, possibly a big disadvantage.

                        This is a one off comment fro me, and I will not reply further. There seems to be a widespread assumption, that I slandered LH. If I did, can someone show me where the term ‘liar’ came from please? It is true I do not like ‘influencers’. It is true I do like fact based reviews and can stand a little opinion in there. My spat with LH was simple. Off forum I questioned why he did not show the power brick on his grinder review as for a lot of people it would be a no no due to size/space issues. I received a flippant reply stating that his editor must have removed it from the final cut. I did not reply to that comment even though I did not believe it.

                        In any case, I already had an answer he gave to Dave, who had stated that he had done 3 video reviews of the same grinder, and in each review thought it important to let the viewer see the brick and make up his own mind. LH replied along the lines of, ‘Yeah, I decided not to show it in my video’

                        https://www.suddencardiacarrestuk.org/2024/02/thank-goodness-for-madeira-cake/

                        Dragging up old stuff is pointless,

                        Move on,

                        People will never see eye to eye

                        Just ignore

                        Let’s talk about other things.

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                          DavecUK

                          It would definitely appear so Dave.

                          The international On-line Coffee Wannkers Society is probably a lot smaller than it seems from forums.
                          There are probably 50 of us actively contributing, another 100 occasional voices and a couple of thousand lurkers.
                          The folks with real coffee knowledge rarely, if ever, contribute on line and I certainly make no claims to being one of them.

                          It saddens me to see such a helpful forum as this dragged through the gutters.
                          I am not without fault when it comes to online comments but I do try to hold back most of the time.

                            I must have missed the LH drama! Anyone have an impartial recollection of events? Seems weird that LH (or anyone in the public limelight) would blast a little forum like that 🙁

                              I’ll email you

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