LMSC I think the admin needs to clean the thread, where required.
I think people are doing that without my prompting …but as always we’re all friends here enjoying a mutual hobby (or obsession.
As always we should keep it fun and factual, thus benefitting all of us. Coffee is going through a great period, loads of good roasters, lots of new prosumer machines and the prosumer grinder offerings are kicking arse.
And getting this thread back to the OP theme will be cool too.
(not saying that recent posts haven’t been entertaining though 😉)
tompoland If Italmill burrs were going to be in the grinder originally and then Kony burrs, it may not be too much of a leap to suspect that GG burrs will be fine too.
Dave may not actually saying that. The motor as I understand it was an item that was refined over time.
If people want to try a different taste profile they could fit Italmill burrs for all of £68 but an interesting aspect ion conical is what can be changed to alter taste? Niche reviews - just how many kg has been run through them via reviewers but OK I use a bean that is likely to show more effect as they run in.
HU burrs have lost some of their shine with users. GG? Obviously an attractive commercial item to introduce. Reviews - some earn surprising amounts of money from doing them due to the number of people who make contributions to them. A reliable source of information? :) Yes I’m sure they are.
lancehedrick that verify my disdain for the coffee the niche provides
That will be interesting Lance.
I don’t imagine that there are many light roast espresso drinkers that would fall in love with the Niche flavor profile but there are certainly a bucket load of dark roast lovers that are enamoured by it.
I figure that we either like the flavor a burr produces or we don’t. I’m not sure that taste preferences need verification as such.
But sure, your findings may explain why you don’t like the taste in more objective terms and I’ll look forward to reading about them.
ajohn some are (e.g. Hoffman), some aren’t.
I’m not in the camp that regards all “influencers” as being intentionally misleading or biased. Not pointing at you because I don’t know you (BTW welcome to CT!) but there are those that seem to regard the lot of them as second cousins of the Anti-Christ.
Most of us scan multiple reviews as well as forums before buying. It’s not so much that any one review should be taken as gospel, but they can be useful when put together, especially from those who are financially impartial such as forum members.
But at the end of the day, the final arbiter of taste preference is comparing grinders on a bench with side by side espresso pours. But given that not everyone can afford to buy and sell grinders regularly, reviews have their place.
But sure, there are those whom I trust more than others.
tompoland oh sure! I’m not at all trying to prove they are bad by any means. I got so much ridicule for my disliking them I thought i’d toss them in an experiment I was doing. I do think a big part of their appeal is how easy the niche makes it to dial in. Huge margin of error for a decent shot.
And the GG thing is frustrating. Sucks to have an idea taken when in the midst of conversations. I originally tried to get Hansung to create the burrs with me, but he was too busy. John heard about my mission to create a better burr set and reached out to see if i;d want to work with him. we started, had many calls, and he was working on a contract between us. Before finalizing that, he took an idea we discussed in one of the zooms I gave him and launched his gg burrs. Quite frustrating, but cest la vie.
lancehedrick We did 100% film it. Hugo 100% cut it.
Lance, you misread me perhaps. On your YT channel, on the review in question I asked you a simple question, ‘2 things Lance. In a video review of a new bit of kit, why did you not show the power brick, and secondly, would have been nice to see you grinding some really light beans matey’.
This was your reply, ’Didn’t show the brick? Shit. Guess it got accidentally chopped in the editing. And the beans I ground were light (Nomad beans)'.
I thought your reply was flippant as it suggests that you have no control over the edit, what makes it and what does not and the final review that you post. Your answer made me think that the decision to exclude the power brick was taken on purpose.
lancehedrick Before finalizing that, he took an idea we discussed in one of the zooms I gave him and launched his gg burrs
well that sucks, big time. now the espresso from them is going to taste sour darn it.
all joking aside, I’m truly sorry to hear about your experience.
tompoland to go off this, I make a very humble about (about 2500) from patreon. BUT I pay my camera man 1700 monthly, I buy at least 2k worth of coffee gear monthly, I paid for all of my camera gear and studio reno. I still work full time at Onyx Coffee Lab. That is my main source of income and the only reason I can make all this work. I have never taken money from a company for anything (other than Xbloom, but I am openly an advisor for their product and heavily consulted on it. I am literally listed on their website as advisor, so idon’t count that). I don’t use affiliate links as many do (eg, fellow links, even though I use the ekg and have likely been the reason loads of people have bought them). If my goal was to profit, I could so easily. I am charismatic and know how to negotiate (salesman here for Onyx). But, it isn’t. I am dipping into my own pockets. I do this because I want to provide helpful informatino.
Of course, in the age of Trump, “fake news” is so wide spread it can easily prey on the minds of the masses to be overly skeptical of everything. I get that. No worries.
Is it frustrating to be constantly questioned as to my motives? sure. Especially since I am turning away loads of avenues of revenue in order to be above reproach. But, I get it. No worries.
Until I can earn the trust of more people, i’ll still be working 50-60 hours weekly at Onyx and sacrificing sleep for my content creation haha.C
cheers
i dont think its the niche’ fault you dont like it, its all you @lancehedrick 😛 joking aside, the burrs in there are traditional, thats what people should expect, its just a good grinder which most new people upgrade to as its a very good price for what you get, dont forget it came out when there was nothing really in that price it was a specilita, modded mazzer or £1500 plus for an ek, ceado etc.
were spoilt now as a prosumer
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dfk41 perhaps you shouldn’t have taken the liberty to make the assumption I was lying. I actually work quite a bit and I often don’t watch the final edit before posting. if i do, i am not very nitpicky. My videographer is a coffee professional (owns an SCA school here in Porto), so I don’t worry about it.
But, you decided to come and attack my character in here without tagging me. A bit sheepish, if you ask me. But it’s all good. I’d prefer you ask me before blowing up.
I did, in fact, film the power brick. it did not, in fact, make the final cut. My videographer sometimes cuts things that should not be cut (like in my tips for better coffee video. I suggest removing chaff and he completely cut how I remove the chaff).
Please stop assuming. Cheers
Cuprajake oh yes! I am aware. But the burrs are not just “traditional.” Lots of burrs are traditional. It seems the niche burrs tend to create larger fines. Without going into too much, they extract extremely low at the same recipe as almost every other grinder I have. They give more bitterness than standard cones and I suspect it is from these larger fines. 10micron and below don’t extract. They have already let go of the compounds that are extractable (see Samo Smrke). Things like the core burrs from weber, for example, create a heavy amount of sub 10 micron fines. THey produce some of the most velvety shots i’ve experienced. Niche does not. They jsut make very average shots I can rival with a plentitude of grinders. what the niche has, however, is incredible workflow. I just wanted better burrs haha
yeah but the key is also 3 or 4 times the price depending on location,
whats in the weber, their own or someone else
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Cuprajake oh I was referring to the core burrs in the eg1. I made the comparison because it is a set of flat burrs but gives a better and more true conical profile than the niche. The key uses 83mm mazzer burrs.
lancehedrick Lance, I am not one for airing grievances in public. If you want to continue our discussion, then please email me at the email address in my signature where I will happily cross swords or dance or anything else matey
dfk41 you don’t air grievances yet you screenshot a comment of mine and heavily imply i’m a liar. ok ;) I think we are good. I have blocked you from my youtube channel so you don’t have to worry about fretting whether I show a power block or not. All is well. Cheers and happy pulling
lancehedrick For accuracy, I did not screenshot your comments……I used cut and paste
lancehedrick eg one is like a bajillion times more haha
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Decent De1pro v1.45 - Niche Duo - Niche Zero - Decent is the best machine ever made -
Can’t help but think of this :
