@Dusk - yes, this is the way to go for me. I’m sure it will work out a lot cheaper than £2.40 per base doing it this way
Pizza Oven Advice
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Agreed they look fantastic for a first go.
Here’s a few tips I’ve learned over the years. Apologies if I’m repeating anything you already know.
‘Sauce’ for Neapolitan pizza is literally crushed tomatoes and salt. Olive oil if you’re feeling bougie.
The authentic way is to get a can of good ITALIAN San Marzanos (as above, La Fiammante or Casa Marrazzo) drain the liquid and crush the tomatoes in your fingers, add some salt to taste. You can also use a blender but draining them is the key to getting rid of the acidity and keeping that delicious sweetness you get.
The reason I say Italian is that whilst San Marzano is technically a variety, and you see them pop up in supermarkets in the UK, the flavour of the Italian ones is said to come from the volcanic soil and climate they get when grown in the region around Naples.
This is why the fired pizza with great ingredients shines over oven baked, because in the 60-90 secs it takes to cook, you’re retaining all of the flavours of those great ingredients.
For the dough, I’d highly recommend a proving tray. I got mine from Ooni as the commercial ones are massive. The Ooni one is a great size for about 6 dough balls. They have a lid and deep sides so no faffing with clingfilm or towels sticking to your resting dough balls (or worse them getting a skin from proving uncovered).
My technique (following something like the Ooni dough calculator) is to mix all the ingredients for a few mins and leave un-kneaded for about 20 mins so the flour soaks up all the water. Then knead for 5-7 mins and leave to prove at room temp for about 12 hours. Ball them up about 6 hours before you intend to use them and let them prove as balls in the proving tray at room temp.
If you ball them longer than about 6 hours before using, I’d put them in the fridge. The issue with leaving them out at room temp too long is the balls can over-prove, get full of bubbles and tear easily when stretching. The problem with proving them in the fridge is they need a lot of time after to get up to room temp because cold dough is also difficult to work with.
I bake all the time so have a KitchenAid, if you have space/budget then they make dough an absolute breeze. They also look good in your kitchen and are basically bulletproof. As my friend found out they’re also powerful enough to walk themselves off a counter taking the sockets and wall tiles with them…
If you have the time, sourdough is worth the effort for the flavour. Learning to properly stretch the base; press it out from the middle, don’t press the crust at all and for goodness sake don’t use a rolling pin (unless you’re deliberately doing NY style).
Good mozzarella is also a treat. For me, a sourdough base, top-quality San Marzanos, DOP Mozzarella, basil and very good olive oil cooked quickly in a fired oven is about as good as food gets.
This video is a masterclass:
Excellent stuff - thanks for taking tge time to post all of this - much appreciated mate
dutchy101 yes to everything @Ernie1 said but you can buy great balls for a lot less than you paid.
https://greatballsofflour.com/neapolitan-dough-balls/
Or for smaller batches
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/307157650
And please never roll, always stretch.
Ps I use Mutti. I think they are great sauces although tempted with @Ernie1 ’s authentic version now too.
Yeah sorry I wasn’t saying those two brands of tomatoes are the only ones to use. I’m sure there are others. I think Mutti do a San Marzano grown in the Campania region.
Casa Marrazzo are my faves but La Fiammante are also great, less expensive and more easily obtainable.
Went to pizza hut tonight
On the menu it said new base recipe
It was turd
Both the pizza and the pepperoni were see through
Quite an achievement to make something so thin.
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Pizza Hut has to be the worst of the worst when it comes to pizza. I always smile when I recall a story my mate told me when he was taking his team out for lunch and suggested they go to Franco Manca. One of his team objected on the grounds that she was “a pizza snob” and only ate Pizza Hut pizza.
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Pizza is one of the foods we seem to be able to get very good examples of pretty much nationwide.
Franco Manca was my introduction to Neapolitan pizza at their Broadway Market location in Hackney. In about 2014 I think. Great to see them all over the place now. I feel like it’s the 2020s Pizza Express where you can just get reliably good pizza every time.
Every town/city seems to have a very good pizza place these days.
Still makes me smile when you see the trip advisor reviews on that style of pizza from people saying ‘Soggy pizza, undercooked… avoid!!!’ 😂
Ernie1 Still makes me smile when you see the trip advisor reviews on that style of pizza from people saying ‘Soggy pizza, undercooked… avoid!!!’ 😂
Haha excellent.
dutchy101 While I loved Pizza Hut as a kid, it put me off any pizza that wasn’t Neapolitan up until recently.
After stumbling across really good Roman pizza during a trip to Rome and then visiting the bakery of ex-celebrity chef Bonci (he’s on Netflix in an episode of Chef’s Table:Pizza), I rarely make or buy Neapolitan pizza these days (although I still love it - particularly a white base with Nduja blobbed on top 🤤).
The Roman’s are fanatical about toppings preferably only using local seasonal ingredients. The base should have a lovely thin crisp/chewy crust while the rest of the base is very airy and light. Not like the stodge/greasefest of Pizza Hut 🤮
It’s part of the reason I want to update my oven to gas so I have more controllability to keep a lower temperature instead of the raging furnace with the pellets!
That Chef’s Table Pizza is a great watch!! Especially the Japan episode.
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Our first introduction to supposedly original American Pizza was When we went to New York. I booked us on a day tour (A slice of Brooklyn pizza tour) Part of the tour we were booked into two pizza places. The one in the picture was supposedly a famous place called Grimaldi, in Dumbo just under the Brooklyn Bridge. You cannot book a table so have to queue for a table. Our tour was able to book so we walked in past the people queuing, we were not very popular. The second pizza stop was at L&B Spumoni gardens in Bensonhurst. Must admit the Pizzas were good. The big black truck with the blacked out windows was our tour bus. We looked like the mafia turning up.
It’s a steep learning curve and it’s easy to lose track of what’s really important. The most important part in my view is kneading the dough well. I still hand knead but may get a Kitchenaid if I can convince my other half..
Forget about poolish, biga and so on . All you need is flour, water and instant yeast. I would recommend the PizzApp for determining the quantities.
Today’s pizza with 70 percent hydration, 6hrs at room temperature, nothing fancy..
Since moving house recently, our Ooni has been sitting neglected on the patio so been forced to rely on bought pizza which, generally, I dislike. Came across Crosta and Mollica range - for bought pizza, they’re much better than anything else IMO.
Son has a friend stopping Tonight so he chose a local Italian restaurant for takeaway pizza
Absolute shite
One slice rest is going in the bin
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Amazed how bad pizza can be in UK. IMO cardinal requirements are: wood fired oven, double zero flour, buffalo mozzarella and San Marzano tomato sauce. Luckily, we’ve got a pukka pizzeria who also deliver. I always go for the Margarita and never disappointed.
After a long time on the fence I am going to pull the trigger on an Ooni and come down the pizza making rabbit hole.
My question is - how often do Lakeland run the 20% off deals? I am willing to wait to save a little extra over the 10% discount I can get direct from Ooni.
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It seemed like a very short deal when I nabbed mine. Seemed to go back up to full price after a couple of days