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  • Madkat SkopeX motor for hand grinders

Loonster

I appreciate the ideas thanks. These help.

Agree re live reviews but to clarify my ambiguity, I would only be using the zoom platform to record my guests video and audio. it would not be live to the public, I’d still be editing it to keep it nice and tight.

If I have it right, you’re saying that you think it would be better to record a review, and then have the manufactuer comment after it was produced? So perhaps the video/written review and then a follow up video/response with the manufacturer?

      tompoland If I have it right, you’re saying that you think it would be better to record a review, and then have the manufactuer comment after it was produced? So perhaps the video/written review and then a follow up video/response with the manufacturer?

      I’m thinking:

      • List the review privately for a few days.
      • Let the manufacturer review the video for errors and omissions.
      • Edit the video if needed. This could be a reshoot, text on the video while you are talking, longer video with a short blurb at the end, text in the description, pinned comment, etc.
      • Publish the video publicly.

      The purpose is not to give the manufacture the right of reply, but to fix any errors in your review.

      Some examples of (potential) errors I’ve seen.

      • Niche Duo Has a weaker motor than the DF83 because the Duo has a 130w motor and the DF has a 550w motor.
      • Londinium Vectis produces only 6bar of pressure.

      Imagine that you were the reviewer, how would you edit the reviews to correct the above errors?

      The Vectis 6bar item is especially contentious.

          The website says it is only for the Comandante C40? (Also some nonsense about it being preferred over the EK-43).

          Wouldn’t it be more useful to wait until there were production models in the field, so you are reviewing the same thing that customers receive?

            Loonster Some examples of (potential) errors I’ve seen.
            Niche Duo Has a weaker motor than the DF83 because the Duo has a 130w motor and the DF has a 550w motor.
            Londinium Vectis produces only 6bar of pressure.

            Imagine that you were the reviewer, how would you edit the reviews to correct the above errors?

            The Vectis 6bar item is especially contentious.

            The Vectis produces 6.9 bar of pressure, as per the Daddys got Coffee advertorial..LH over egged that one a bit.

            The Niche Duo will grind an 18g dose of green coffee from a standing start…show me any grinder that can do that..so it’s factually correct regards wattage (rating plate), which is different to what the motor can pull and highly misleading regarding capability.

            Influencer reviews need to be very careful about this.

            However there are many words unspoken about the Vectis which I gleaned from the DGC video, by following the clues and reading the bit people don’t normally read. It’s elsewhere in the Londo thread.

            A reviewer needs to give the viewer the shared experience of being in the kitchen making coffee with the machine. In that way the potential interested person can get a good idea of the reality. This needs video, photos, internals and no annoying music, no jump cuts. How many times have I wished I could see the complete shot (no edits) without music over it.

            However, viewers often talk about features and functions, not whys and hows and the reality of living with the machine. The Meticulous machine being a prime example. I suspect for most people the experience would get old pretty fast. Lastly they should stop using affiliate links and influencer codes.

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              MWJB production is due to start in Jan so this one will be as close as it gets. So long as I’m clear that it’s pre production it will be useful for those deciding if they want to save on the pre order discount.

              The C60 is the same dimensions as the C60 so it should be fine and if not then it gets sent back without the review.

              Preference over the EK43. It’s all subjective so it’s not nonsense for the person who prefers it. I’m one of them. But then I prefer the Ode Gen 1.1 burr over the Gen 2 so my tastes may not be up the with the Heds and Hoffs of this world.

              • MWJB replied to this.

                  Just a reminder that the original post was an invitation to nominate questions about the Skope. Thanks.

                  tompoland Is subjective preference really something that should be in an objective review? How do you know which viewers fall on one side of the fence, or the other?

                  Nobody knows what Hed or Hoff actually tastes (though you might buy the coffee from the companies that they work for and draw your own conclusions?), or whether it is different to what most other people taste. Again, if there is a question over subjective taste preference, perhaps it is best to not mention it.

                  My Comandante does not stand out in terms of any flavour characteristics, nor preference.

                  The Skopex effectively just spins the burrs, there is no reason to assume that it can influence the taste of the coffee, within its remit of operation. As it only fits the Comandantes, preferences for other/against other grinders are moot.

                      MWJB Is subjective preference really something that should be in an objective review? How do you know which viewers fall on one side of the fence, or the other?

                      It looks like we agree. Taste won’t even be in the review. The review has nothing to do with the C40 v EK43 or the taste of coffee. My mistake was in responding to your comment about ‘nonsense’. It’s off-post so I should have ignored it, my bad so my apologies for responding, especially given my request to keep the thread on-post.

                      I’m not sure where you got the idea from that I’m intending a review that is objective. Possibly you mean impartial? If so then yes I’ll be striving for that. But perhaps you were referring to the taste again.

                      Moving on…let me know if you have questions you’d like answers to and I’ll be happy to ask.

                      • MWJB replied to this.

                          tompoland I guess if I have a question it is, what is the resistance of the Comandante crank handle when grinding for espresso? How does it compare to the force needed to lock in your PF?

                          Other than the time spent hand grinding, an advantage to me would be the SkopeX motor taking the strain, especially if someone has a wrist issue. If locating the PF takes as much/more force, the motor might not be as attractive?

                              Also, how quick is it to detatch the SkopeX mounting collar from the grinder body? (If popping out to make coffee with the grinder somewhere other than at home).

                                8 days later

                                Time sensitive

                                I have been using the SkopeX now daily for a week or more. It has some limitations but overall its worth the asking for certain situations.

                                I am recording the review in video format tomorrow (Thursday) and will send it to the creator (Shauvik) of the SkopeX later that day. On Friday, I’m interviewing him.

                                I have a note of questions from @MWJB but if you have a question for Shauvik or about the SkopeX generally please post it here before Thursday midnight UK time.

                                MWJB If locating the PF takes as much/more force, the motor might not be as attractive?

                                sorry for being thick but in this context, what is “PF” referring to?

                                • MWJB replied to this.