WDT and Tamping…

MattH it’s often a problem with the settings. If you haven’t selected a country in your profile, you will get this message.

it is getting more and more ridiculous. instead of having a simple, smooth, relatively foolproof workflow - people are trying to make pulling a shot a ritual instead. As if only them know and can enjoy a good cup

delta76 - Well… You don’t need to do it. :-)

MediumRoastSteam I don’t. I just think it’s ridiculous, it is creating a barrier for people want to get into espresso IMO

delta76 I I think the video was about making the workflow easier? Not having to do WDT will massively improve the workflow and make things easier for beginners.

Emc2 no I was saying in general, not specifically to the video. I tried to watch it but could not finish.

I am biased - because I like James a lot - but I wish we have more of this

in the end, his workflow is simple and easy. and it creates just as good espresso as with $200 moonraker whatever things. We (as the espresso world in general) are spending way too much time and money to optimize the last 1% where it could be gained much cheaper and easier else where.

delta76 - It’s all relative. You could argue that for some, when they see us with a machine on our couter top that weights 30kg and takes 35 minutes or so to warm up, weighing in and out, WDT (or stockflesh, or nswe or whatever we had back in the day) they must think we are just crazy insane.

You have to be happy with what works for you. If grind, tamp, pull works… Happy days. If you feel the need that things taste better adding further steps, happy days too.

delta76 - I do not disagree. Don’t forget that there’s a lot of people in this “hobby” with the main focus being the hobby itself - parameters, ratios, graphs, data in general - rather than a consistent and tasty cup of coffee every day - and that’s up to them. If that’s what floats their boat, then so be it. My goal is to:

• Get a nice cup of coffee twice a day, consistently.
• Without making a mess (both from grinders (static) and from the machine (channeling, spray);
• easy to clean my portafilter and basket after every shot;
• Easy to keep the machine clean.

So my routine is:

• dump pre-weighted dose into Niche hopper;
• Grind into Niche cup;
• Flip into basket;
• Use spyrographic tool (10 turns) to distribute;
• Tamp with Bravo tamper;
• Puck screen on top;
• Pull until desired weight.

For me, this works, and it seems consistent. For others, it might be too much, and no doubt, for some, too little.

Happy coffee! :-)

delta76 You would test amongst more than 10 tasters, these tasters would also need to be unaware of what the test was. Tests on this scale are rare in specialty coffee.

However, if you’re making coffee for yourself, friends and family you’re going to primarily be concerned with what you like. You don’t need to convince anyone else and you can do this easily. You can share what you do in good faith and others can try it, adopt it, or bin it. You won’t accidentally create a black hole that swallows the Earth 😄

delta76 We (as the espresso world in general) are spending way too much time and money to optimize the last 1% where it could be gained much cheaper and easier else where.

Nobody is doing this.

would shaking in the cup no move the fines to the bottom then inverting put the fines on top to clog?

i only wdt to distribute the grinds to be flatter as i cant palm tap for shit,

suppose its a kin the the poeple who wash cars then those whose who detail using a 100 step method. it appeals to different people,

Cuprajake The order in which you layer the puck was rudimentarily tested by Socratic and they didn’t find a difference in shot time, or EY depending whether finer grounds were on top, or bottom, mixed or control (no sorting). No tasting results.

Cuprajake The fines move to the bottom anyways when pressure is applied.

good to know, ill be honest its not something ive taken too much notice in, can appreciate it but to me its over complicating things, next ill push back on to grinders and we will be finding a new king grinder, they miss the biggest key, everyone’s tastes are different.

id love them to re do this test now with all the info available

Cuprajake id love them to re do this test now with all the info available

Why would there be a difference now?

MWJB different grinders and burrs

This is one of my favourite grinder videos…

so are we saying its just best to use the niche cup and tamp?
cba watching/reading all that data, need a @tompoland tdlrspz

Cuprajake Isn’t that what you’re supposed to do with the Niche cup, grind into it, shake it, transfer & tamp? Yes, that is what Lance, Samp Smrke & Doug Weber are in effect saying, except for the use of the Weber blind tumbler rather than the Niche cup.

There’s an overview in the video description:

“Tasting the Difference: Is Grind Evenness Important? But how much does grind evenness really affect your cup of coffee? To find out, we brewed three batches of coffee using the same beans ground in the most even burr grinder, the least even burr grinder, and our top-rated blade grinder, which achieved up to 46 percent medium pieces. We kept all the variables the same except for the grinder. A panel of 21 tasters then sampled the coffees in a blind tasting. The verdict was surprising: Though we identified flavor differences in the batches of coffee, each made a good cup and tasters were split on which one they preferred. To verify these surprising results, we conducted this test three additional times. We also brought in coffee tasting experts, and they came to the same conclusion.”

cheers,

i try not to watch too many coffee youtubers now.

i thought it was the beatles, even though i know the song and saw the title lol

Lance has published a new video with more testing with the DF grinder

Weber must be loving this 😂

MattH It’s the shaking that makes the difference I think. In the Weber videos, they shake for just 2-3 seconds. LH recommends shaking for 15 seconds or longer I think. This apparently causes ‘densification’ which is a fancy term for compacting. I can see the logic. After 15 seconds of shaking, the grinds do not fall off as easily compared to 3 seconds of shaking.

Sworks has a cover for their funnel that allows shaking (58mm only). The process looks like it would be simpler than weber blind shaker.

Anyone with a niche and a 58mm pf doesn’t need the Weber shaker,

I’ve not seen the new vid, but I presume he’s not tested a niche dosing cup?

I think he did mention using a different dosing cup, like the niche, but I can’t remember seeing any data from it

InfamousTuba

No data. He mentioned it in the first video that it might work, but then dismissed it in the 2nd video.