DavecUK I like 800 for 64mm burrs.
I know you like 800rpm for 64mm burrs. But why? What’s the rationale behind it?
T64 Grinder From Bella Barista
Surely if it goes to 300rpm that increases the likelihood of stalling quite significantly?
simonc if you have it can you run some lighter beans at espresso settings with the lowest RPM and report back? Thanks
FadedFrontiers I have the KOPI deva not the T64 but also an adjustable RPM 64mm so hence interested.
MediumRoastSteam I know you like 800rpm for 64mm burrs. But why? What’s the rationale behind it?
It’s about burr size and throughput. I’ve explained why quite a few times in other threads, search for “burr packing,”.
From a business perspective it seems BB is not getting the attraction they needed/wanted, which is not too surprising. Sub-500GBP SD grinder market is super competitive atm and most will stick with DF64 gen 2. Hopefully that will not kill off the grinder, hopefully to buy it from a local retailer soon…
What brings you to that conclusion, how many have been sold?….
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Adrianmsmith just the impression. No discussion about it outside this forum. Pretty low view count on Dave’s video. For many people it will just be another DF64 “clone”, which is not true but hard to convince otherwise.
Sometimes good produce <> good selling
delta76 Pretty low view count on Dave’s video. For many people it will just be another DF64 “clone”, which is not true but hard to convince otherwise.
Sometimes good produce <> good selling
If the grinder is as good as I have at home and should be a lot better with the improved spec and burrs (I think the speeds they quote must be wrong)…then a lot of people are going to miss out on something excellent. I know the influencers have high view counts and sometimes the paid shills just make me want to walk away from it all. The reason being “why bother”.
They truly don’t give a crap about the people who watch their channels and buy the product they push. They are too busy making the next money making video, endorsement or whatever else they do..
Oh just to clear things up the 300 to 1400 speed came from something the BB person doing the blog read for another variable speed grinder…NOT the T64. Which as far as I am aware will be the same as the test sample I have 800-2000.
BB only have the single speed unit, until the one I have is returned to them.
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BB haven’t done a particularly good job with the presentation of this new product for sale. They are using images of a different model - without any kind of disclaimer or explanation. They refer to Dave’s video, again without explaining that the video shows a different model of the grinder and now they are potentially misrepresenting the grind speed range.
They really need to do better. As far as I know, nobody has seen this movable zeroing ring yet - it could be that it is clunky and ugly enough to dissuade potential buyers. Even if not, they should be doing better at explaining that the images on their website do not accurately present the grinder buyers will receive.
I’m sure they could have got images or renders from the manufacturer to use for publicity. If they couldn’t, they should have delayed the listing until they could take their own photo’s, double check the specification and then accurately list the item for sale. Using wrong images and wrong description is all a bit amateur hour.
EDIT - also not sure on the legality of claiming that the £459 price is a “sale” price from their standard price of £559 when it has never previously been offered for sale at £559. Pretty sure that retailers are expected to be able to evidence any claim that a “sale” price is indeed discounted from their previously advertised retail prices.
Gagaryn They really need to do better. As far as I know, nobody has seen this movable zeroing ring yet - it could be that it is clunky and ugly enough to dissuade potential buyers. Even if not, they should be doing better at explaining that the images on their website do not accurately present the grinder buyers will receive.
I show it in the first post in the thread.
They can’t show the grinder in photos because the adjustable collar ones are not in the county yet. The grinder they do show is the non variable speed one they have which is identical in every respect to what I have here, without the variable speed (and variable speed knob).
But keep complaining, because that’s the best way to ensure they don’t bother with something like this again. The only people that will lose out are those looking for a very decent 64mm grinder at a great price.
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DavecUK I show it in the first post in the thread.
But importantly - BB don’t. If you could - they could.
DavecUK They can’t show the grinder in photos because the adjustable collar ones are not in the county yet
I believe they have used manufacturer provided images in the listing? I cover this above. Suggesting that a retailer shows images of the item they are selling is hardly contentious.
DavecUK But keep complaining, because that’s the best way to ensure they don’t bother with something like this again
This is ridiculous. It’s not unreasonable to expect a retailer to accurately represent products that they are selling. Your defence of BB here is absurd.
Regarding the claim of the “sale” price, BB should not be claiming this. They can however explain that this is an introductory price. If I can find this out in 5 mins sure BB could too! From the Advertising Standards Agency website
Use the correct terms for introductory offers
If a marketer has not sold a product before and wishes to offer it at an introductory price which is lower than the intended standard price, they should make clear it is an introductory offer rather than discount. Using scored-out future pricing is likely to be considered misleading unless the ad makes it explicitly clear that the price is the intended future price, because this will imply that the crossed-out price is the established usual selling price
https://www.asa.org.uk/advice-online/promotional-savings-claims.html
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Gagaryn This is ridiculous. It’s not unreasonable to expect a retailer to accurately represent products that they are selling. Your defence of BB here is absurd.
I’m not defending anything, or anyone…quite frankly I don’t give a crap any more.
Buy it, don’t buy it….who cares. This is why I sometimes think….why bother!
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Gagaryn why do you bother coming on here? i mean all you do is literally argue with everyone? you know how the forum can be so why bother?
if you have concerns then im sure bb would be happy to listen to them?
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Cuprajake why do you bother coming on here? i mean all you do is literally argue with everyone? you know how the forum can be so why bother?
No, I made an observation that BB could have done better . That wasn’t an argument, however it did prompt a response that developed into an argument. Seems pretty normal for the internet …
The claim that all I do is argue with everyone is a bit hyperbolic - please don’t take that as an argument!
I’m not exactly sure what you mean by “you know how the forum can be so why bother?” but suspect that that might be why I bother! :-)
people get very defensive - thats what i mean.
theres a great feature for hiding people, i have quite a few on it, works a treat.
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DavecUK i understand. But we live in a world where marketing is almost everything and like it or not BB will need those influencers to push the product, it will probably sell itself once it proves the performance/price but it needs a momentum. Would love to see this grinder to become popular so I can buy & try it
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The price and the sale claims clearly state against manufacturers reccomended retail price not precious selling price.
In The past I’ve not been a fan of Bella but this time I have no complaints.
If they gave a flying Puck then I’d probably not be an ACS owner.
So you have their bad customer service to thank for me hanging around on here😎😜
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DavecUK It’s about burr size and throughput. I’ve explained why quite a few times in other threads, search for “burr packing,”.
Thank you. I remember you explained this before, but if memory serves me right, it also depends on the burr cut itself? I remember you saying at one point you compared two different burrs, and one burr took a long longer to grind than the other, even though they were the same diameter.
So I’m assuming that, for this grinder (T64) the optional speed is 800 for the burrs you tested, and maybe likewise for the SSP HU burrs BB is selling the grinder with?