There is a new grinder about to hit the market from Bella Barista the T64, **not to be confused** with the Profitec T64. It's a 64mm flat burr grinder, produced by a Chinese manufacturer, I had a prototype and already a few enhancements have been recommended by me to BB so they can fine tune their offering. **The grinder in the video doesn't have an extra movable zero collar, the revised grinder does,** and it means the zero point can be adjusted should you ever change/use different burrs. The BB grinders will have this as standard. [upl-image-preview url=https://i.imgur.com/P1d9vPj.png] Secondly, the grinder can be purchased with Italmill, Chinese, or SSP burrs. **Bella Barista have decided to only offer it with SSP burrs at this time.** I truly don't know what burrs mine has, but I suspect it's not SSP burrs, even though it's working great! These videos introduce the T64 grinder, it's a nice variable speed flat burr grinder that produces excellent in cup results. It's is being launched by Bella Barista in the UK. https://bellabarista.co.uk/ The power brick you see is for my cabinet lights, the grinder plugs directly into the mains and is 230/240 volt. The grind cup, extension funnel and forks are all for the standard 58mm porta filter and made of good quality thick aluminium, not plastic The grinder is being returned early next week, so any questions, ask them quickly. https://youtu.be/VZYepwWagvw?si=b5Uk_yfMl28Aan73 https://youtu.be/XQLxMeQupsA?si=6tNlNFMCLu-5bFzs Now if you read this far I don't feel it's appropriate to disclose the planned pricing of this grinder in advance of BB announcement. But they will be doing a forum special at a price that if they step up and do what they say, will be unbelievably good and I don't say that lightly.

Thanks Dave, there is a "BG T64" on YT that may be the same. Looks pretty solid. Pretty sure the burrs are not SSP given the color variation but videos and lighting can be deceptive. https://youtu.be/vX-StUEhe4A?si=c44173JKA3buBr9z One concern in the comments in the YT thread was "it's stepless until it's not" referring to the dial drifting under load to a stepped point. The video was front August 2023 and it's normally an easy fix for the manufacturer so I'm wondering if you noticed any drift in the unit you have?

> @"tompoland"#p63075 The video was front August 2023 and it’s normally an easy fix for the manufacturer so I’m wondering if you noticed any drift in the unit you have? I got my unit from BB in January and it was stepped…I (damaged the stepped pin to jam it in, as you can't pull it out), this made it stepless. I did this after realising going in between steps was imprecise, it would possibly "fall off" the steps and move…plus it wasn't mine and would be going back (It actually is being collected by Bella Barista next week). As stepless, it's never moved or drifted at all and the company have been asked to make the BB grinders stepless. Also to add a re-zero ring as they might be factory zeroed, but if people change burrs then the zero may be lost. Also the factories zero might not always bee 100% correct. There is one big difference you perhaps didn't spot…**it's not variable speed**, mine goes from 800-2000 rpm, which is how I can use it to clear grinds without using the bellows. There are some other differences in the video to the unit I have, some small some larger * **The grinder in the video has a 200W motor, my unit has a 300W motor** * Aluminium lid with wood top cover on mine (looks nice, adds a bit of contrast. * The ring that fits on top of the grinds cup has two grippy o rings machines in to it stays in place nicely * The grinder I have it I believe slightly heavier. But they look like they are from the same company and offer the same 3 burr options…obviously I suggested to BB to only use SSP burrs, because they are a known quantity and the quality of construction merits it. *P.S.The Evo portafilter funnel for LSM size portafilter from Norvin (thanks again Norvin), fits a groove in the grind cup perfectly as you saw on the video, making it super easy to use with my 53.5mm portafilters*

How would you compare it to df64 if you have used both? Also any way for non UK customers to buy it without having to ship from BB?

> @"delta76"#p63111 How would you compare it to df64 if you have used both? Also any way for non UK customers to buy it without having to ship from BB? I actually have a DF64 and it in my option the T64 is a much better grinder. and more accurately made. Oh I forgot to mention once it's finished grinding, after 2 minutes it switches off, so they really have thought about the product and the grind cup etc.. I have no idea about availability and retailers world wide, if you are in Europe BB might well ship it?

@"DavecUK"#p63112 - did you manage to find out more about the phenomenon of no static what so ever? Is there anything special? Given high end grinders come with a spray bottle…. This is an achievement in itself, whatever they did!

@"DavecUK"#p63112 if it comes to that I might have to, but would prefer to buy from a local retailer or at least from within EU to avoid tax complication (and warranty also). Great to hear it is better than df64 in your opinions - i know you pay very close attention to details!

> @"DavecUK"#p63112 actually have a DF64 and it in my option the T64 is a much better grinder. and more accurately made. Interesting thanks Dave. Can you shed some light on "more accurately made" and is there anything else that you prefer over the DF?

> @"giampiero"#p63128 Any stalling issue? As I said in the video and description as well I think, **no problems with stalling**. I run it at it's slowest speed 800 rpm, **I don't hot start** and in the video you can listen to it grinding. I have also tried some of @"LMSC"#16 light beans in it as well.

> @"tompoland"#p63120 Can you shed some light on “more accurately made” and is there anything else that you prefer over the DF? not really, it's just more accurate, no o rings to centralise the core as in the DF64, and accurately made is just that, especially in the burr chamber…all milled aluminium and no wave washer. It's just a nicer grinder to use and especially adjust. The looks of the grinder ittself and accessories like the catch cup etc.. are way better.

T64 Grinder From Bella Barista

HarveyMushman

I think I said it somewhere above but I kind of feel for everyone involved here. It’s another 64mm flat from a non-descript East Asian company.

It’s probably the most competitive space in the grinder market and a hard sell regardless of how glowing the review.

Nobody’s fault other than total market saturation probably numbing people’s interest.

Feels like we need something to come along and do a Niche Zero before we start getting excited again.

delta76

HarveyMushman how glowing the review

Depends on whose review. if James H gave it a glowing review, you can be sure it’s out of stock within a few hours.
Lance reviewed the blind shaker and he only stated that the extraction was higher, not necessarily it tastes better, and sales of said tool skyrocketed. I am not a fan of Lance, but I’d be lying if I said I did not buy my blind shaker because of his video. I was always thinking it as an unnecessary tool.
Not sure why the debate of price comes from. I’m seeing 382.5 GBP which means no VAT (+20% and it’s 459). No indication of sale price whatsoever

Cuprajake

Don’t think you can now.

The niche was totally different at the time and imo very competitively priced.

Now if you want a good 64mm you’re over a grand for a zerno or lagom p64

If you want bigger burrs that gets even crazier.

I personally don’t like the rate the 64mm grinders are getting pushed out. Ten a penny comes to mind, and most are fugly

Only one I quite like is the df64v, but they stall app.

Gagaryn

Cuprajake No it’s was £559 originally and you had a discount code to get it to £459

I don’t think it has ever been for sale at £559 though. The initial offer on here was described as a £100 discount for the forum - and then from 25 March it would be offered to the public with a £75 discount.

However that’s not how things have played out - it’s only been offered at one price - £459 to everyone. This may be an introductory offer and it may go up to £559 at some point - only time will tell…

MediumRoastSteam

Gagaryn I don’t think it has ever been for sale at £559 though. The initial offer on here was described as a £100 discount

It was offered as initially intended (£559 rrp, £100 off with the discount code for forum members). That was like so for about 4 or 5 days. Only reason I know is because I kept checking and was tempted to buy one.

But on Saturday, 23rd March, I checked the website and BB have lowered the price to £459 to the general public, appearing to have given up on the initial promotional strategy and opening the offer of £459 to everyone.

Edit: just checked the calendar to make sure I got the dates right.

Gagaryn

MediumRoastSteam But on Saturday, 23rd March, I checked the website and BB have lowered the price to £459 to the general public, appearing to have given up on the initial promotional strategy and opening the offer of £459 to everyone.

Thanks for correcting me, didn’t know that and was thrown by the email that was posted earlier showing BB as describing £459 as the “special launch price”. I simply took that at face value - didn’t appreciate that they launched earlier at a higher price and then relaunched at a lower price a few days later. Unfortunate for any poor enthusiastic early pre-orders.

Cuprajake

As above it was £549 as I took was looking at it

MediumRoastSteam

delta76 Not sure why the debate of price comes from. I’m seeing 382.5 GBP which means no VAT (+20% and it’s 459). No indication of sale price whatsoever

This is what you see if you are in the UK:

Adrianmsmith

MediumRoastSteam

@Gagaryn

So flippin what

Did anyone else on this forums actually join it to read about coffee related products and get advice on certain items? Or did some of you just joined to debate the advertising ethics of a price that you have seen advertised in a way that you do not like?

Do people not have a brain. Can we not just decide to buy it based on the price it’s offered.

It’s getting boring just seeing lots of arguments of what words should be used in an advert.

BORING

Have you ever wondered if you’re washing powder or washing up? Liquid really is 5000% better than it was in 1970, which is approximately what it should be by now if you believe all the adverts in the meantime.

Does it really matter if it says Sale or introductory offers

It will not charge it’s performance or what you actually pay.

I for one. Decided to order it and see how it goes. Just based on the advice and videos by @DavecUK

If it does not live up to expectations then so what? I’m sure I have had much more expensive equipment that doesn’t. Based on what I have read I have decided to give it a try and fingers crossed i may even like it.

dutchy101

Having actually purchased the grinder, I can confirm that it was on sale at £559 from Bella Barista. I used the forum code that Dave provided and it gave me a £100 discount.

MediumRoastSteam

dutchy101 - it looks really good I have to say. It’s in my basket 🤪

But I already have a Niche Duo so it would be an indulgence rather than a requirement. I’ve been very good in keeping away from the “buy” button, and would be delighted to hear how you get on. 👍

HarveyMushman

Adrianmsmith Ffs do you not have a brain.

You know what’s getting really boring? Your attitude.

Gagaryn

Adrianmsmith So flippin what

Did anyone else on this forums actually join it to read about coffee related products and get advice on certain items? Or did some of you just joined to debate the advertising ethics of a price that you have seen advertised in a way that you do not like?

Do people not have a brain. Can we not just decide to buy it based on the price it’s offered.

It’s getting boring just seeing lots of arguments of what words should be used in an advert.

BORING

This thread is about BB offering a new grinder and a forum offer for discount, so it’s not off topic to mention things like introductory offers, coupons and sale prices.

I find the ethics of retailers marketing interesting and I’m pretty sure I’m not breaking any rules by mention them. There are several other posts across multiple threads by many users of this forum that also mention the ethics of marketing, both by retailers and “influencers”. In fact it’s quite the hot topic on here - the fact that you find it boring is frankly irrelevant and certainly doesn’t warrant, what appears by your use of all caps, to be a tantrum.

Sure this will change when the grinders start shipping and the focus of the discussion pivots to usage and performance. You might want to come back then.

Adrianmsmith

MediumRoastSteam

But what price will it be by then?

I’m waiting for the day it arrives and the “not another one ” conversation.

I expect to have at least one for sale by July, but which one? Time will tell.

I’m Starting to wish I’d paid more attention to some comments by @DavecUK on other threads with the key word in the sentence. Let’s just say Lyn was the better half or the famous combo. Sometimes you need to play and decide for yourself!

MediumRoastSteam

Adrianmsmith I’d paid more attention to some comments by @DavecUK on other threads with the key word in the sentence

Yep. He’s been saying that for a while. You definitely need to keep up with what really matters! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍 - and that’s key. 😘🤪

Adrianmsmith

MediumRoastSteam haha yeh!!!

The good news is there’s a Niche product in a Prime position to play with as well.

If all else fails the 1zpresso j ultra is all anyone really needs for espresso. ☕

Adrianmsmith

HarveyMushman sorry but I think there are better forums to debate the wording of an advertisement at length. On here we should be more concerned about the quality of the product and whether it may play to our needs . If the word “sale” makes you click the buy button and continue to make a purchase then I feel for you.

I’m mainly interested to see what all the fuss is about surrounding SSP burrs

MediumRoastSteam

Adrianmsmith I’m mainly interested to see what all the fuss is about surrounding SSB burrs

SSP High Uniformity burrs.

To keep the discussion on this grinder, the main reason I am holding fire is that the product tested by Dave is not the same exact product being sold by Bella Barista. Maybe I am too fussy… But, for the same reasons why I bought the Niche Zero and the Duo, was that Dave tested, and tested, and tested, and tested, and tested and tested the grinders as they were to be sold, including the burrs - call it testing the whole package if you wish. So for me at least, I’ll wait and will let other people let me know if that grinder works well with the SSP burrs - rather than whichever burrs Dave has tested it with, which as per Dave’s review, it seems to work rather well, barring the unknown longevity.

steve_07

Disappeared from the BB site now.

DavecUK

steve_07 Disappeared from the BB site now.

Possibly sold the first 20 coming in.

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