LMSC - hmmm…. It’s only worth switching things off if they are wasteful or useless.

Before you go on turning routers and switches off, I’d find how much power they are using first. Convenience has a price in modern society.

I give you an example: I have a sound bar that’s always on, on standby. We use it occasionally But it’s not even worth the while turning it off as it uses like 0.2W - 89p per year for being on standby.

My example of the DVD player was something I totally overlooked: not only I don’t use it, ever, as most things are available on subscription services these days - it’s also old and clunky. One of those things it’s under the TV and I never thought about unplugging it!

    I’m just wondering how large the council tax rise will be, as we pay to keep all those offices, library’s, and other council funded places warm and electrified with their uncapped bills. If people think a pub with a 64K electric bill is a lot, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

    MediumRoastSteam We turn off power where possible. Turning off the Routers and Network switches is an extreme measure.

    The router uses 40 W active and Switch 45W active.

    We also know the switch has an active power management as it switches off unused ports. So, the switch’s active power consumption could be less.

    Gagaryn Just as a quick update, I worked out that I can start it off the smart plug, as long as I start the cycle (close door and wait for initial beep) before turning off power. Problem was that I forgot to enable the schedule, set it up and left it switched off 🤣. I ended up turning it on at 3:30 as woke up thinking I heard my 5 month old. Good to know it works so will be doing that going forward as every little helps.

      Alexvs turning it on at 3:30 as woke up thinking I heard my 5 month old

      For a few months, that’s going to be even cheaper than a smart plug… 😉

      LMSC Do you think this is worth it? Air Heat pump is probably cheaper than ground-source heat pump. I thought this still fall short by some margin relying on the gas. Furthermore, one needs to either instal a solar panel or draw electricity from the provider. In our case, the electricity consumes a half of our utility bills.

      It depends on the situation I guess vs a gas boiler. I always hear a heat pump with a house insulated as well as your average fridge is cheap to run, but a gas boiler in that same house would be cheaper to run. That a heat pump is up to 4 times more efficient than a gas boiler…though the don’t mention that gas is up to 4 times cheaper. The SCOP figures that are almost 3.8 or 4, but they don’t mention those are only reached with flow temps of 40C.

      My situation is this. gas central heating, mostly microbore pipes and rads that are not overly large because they don’t need to be. Putting a heat pump in my house would involve a new water tank, special hot water auxilliary heat pump buffer tanks, replacement of all rads and most of the pipework, involving floors up and external pipework on walls, plus a real mess. Cost of all this, well over £16,000, probably nearer £18,000 (after the grant), because they are effectively putting in a whole new wet system.

      I’m not going to pay that to be cold…and run a HP system which you shouldn’t actually turn off, because if the house gets too cold, it takes 5 hours to warm up again. In winter the COP will be horrendous.

      So enter the air to air multisplit (using the right refrigerants, currently R32, it would be better still using R717 first used in 1920 ish, but they don’t do that). The COP can be over 5 and the SCOP higher than an air to water system.

      The advantage is I only have to have a single cassette unit in the rooms at the junction of the wall meets the ceiling and small holes for the refrigerant pipes. I can leave my radiators or have them removed. Each room is only heated when I need to use it, and the system can be on timers for frost or damp protection. Heating is hot air and essentially warms a room within 10 minutes of switching on an individual unit. The COP is high because it only puts out air at a max of 28 or 30C and you would usually have it set to 22C… You only heat the rooms you need to heat when you need to and they can all be at different temperatures.

      It also works as an air conditioning unit as well for cooling individual rooms as required during hot weather, and even has a dry function to remove condensation/humidity if that is required.

      I think the cost of installation would be considerably cheaper than an air to water system, even though there are no grants for air to air systems. I also believe it would be considerable cheaper to run than a heat pump. it is my preferred option if they ban gas boilers.

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      For people wanting to turn off their internet routers at night…it can play havoc with certain types of broadband, gfast etc,, causing the system to think it needs to fall back to lower speeds to maintain your connection at a good service level.

        DavecUK My situation is this. gas central heating, mostly microbore pipes and rads that are not overly large because they don’t need to be. Putting a heat pump in my house would involve a new water tank, special hot water auxilliary heat pump buffer tanks, replacement of all rads and most of the pipework, involving floors up and external pipework on walls, plus a real mess. Cost of all this, well over £16,000, probably nearer £18,000 (after the grant), because they are effectively putting in a whole new wet system.

        This is what a certified gas enginner-cum-plumber, who came to fix some water leak in the house advised us. He told us we need to spend

        • £7.5K for the mega flow - you may as well if you are opening the floor. This cost was before Covid.
        • All new pipe works and radiators.
        • Air source heat pump + solar panels
        • New boilers
        • New first floor floor boards
        • He also suggested, if doing all these, spend some more and replace all electrical cables and go full blown smart home leveraging the exposed floors.

        I would rather repay my mortgage than spending money on all these.

        DavecUK For people wanting to turn off their internet routers at night…it can play havoc with certain types of broadband, gfast etc,, causing the system to think it needs to fall back to lower speeds to maintain your connection at a good service level.

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          LMSC £7.5K for the mega flow - you may as well if you are opening the floor. This cost was before Covid.
          All new pipe works and radiators.

          Can’t have a megaflow, I have 3 thermostatically controlled pumped showers….which would be thousands down the drain. I am hoping the fruitcake idea of net zero and banning gas boilers gets dumped…madness.

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            I was just thinking about commercial energy prices, the amount that pub has been quoted, It might actually be cheaper to get a big commercial quiet run generator and power from that…. Those ones that look like half a caravan on a towed trailer. Make hardly any noise.

              DavecUK
              Having seen the quote a client git for a 400kVA backup generator last week, I’d beg to differ!

              Diesel usage is astronomical for large generators. The big commercial ones use around 100 litres per hour.

              Well, having spent a few days thinking abound it, yesterday I ordered one of these
              https://burley.co.uk/product/ambience-4121/
              The big advantages are:
              We have no flue so covers that
              Instant heat if we have power cuts
              100% burn efficiency

              We have a fixed rate of 4.38 on gas so even running on full which is unlikely, the cost is 15.3p per hour @3.5 kw output. We have 3 radiators in the room we sit in. We can turn them down to 1, turn the heating off during the day on 4 of the other 5 rads and at night to take the chill off the part of the house we are going to sleep in put the heating on as needed. That sounds a bit vague but until it is fitted we will not actually know. Once fitted I will cover costs etc

                dfk41 We will need photos and videos of it working, or it didn’t happen….you can show off the remote control as well.

                £700M nuclear plant commitment in Suffolk days before stepping down. He could have done that earlier!

                A care home company who usual bill for it’s homes is 90k have been quoted 1mil

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                  Cuprajake A care home company who usual bill for it’s homes is 90k have been quoted 1mil

                  That’s ridiculous!!