I am just thinking out loud and would value some input. This is a $1000 deposit followed by$ 1450 final payment. In addition there is shipping, any customisations you might make and import duties. To me, the customisations do not add anything but looks, but there again a friend in the motor trade always told me if you are buying a new car of a certain class, always buy every extra they offer. Ignoring that and just going off the info above, what do folks think $2450 plus shipping and import costs will turn out at?

Given that you frequently state that you don't have particularly sensitive taste buds & that you're not one for precision/faffing/fine tuning when brewing, what is it that you perceive that a £2k grinder is going to do for you, compared to what you have now?

@"MWJB"#p70387 The nicest coffee I ever made was on a Compak K10 fresh, the early one. I think from memory they were 68mm size. I used to make the tastiest coffee ever, but this was back in the day before single dosing became the norm, and the retention was really horrible. I doubt very much I am going to buy one for all the reasons and more that you mention. But I do look at what is available from time to time. The flat burr market is saturated with the latest things, but the conical market seems to lag behind. I could not go back to a hopper fed system

@"dfk41"#p70386 If I remember correctly, when the Niche Zero was launched, Dave said the taste was somewhat very similar if not identical to his Ceado E92 - which is a conical grinder with 71mm burrs. So maybe… save the money and stick with the Niche Zero? 😊

@"MediumRoastSteam"#p70392 I had one of those Ceados as well. I do not remember them being in the same class. They were a monster with a very slow spin speed, terrible retention and if you did whatever the mod was (I cannot remember now but it involved a puffer) then 18 gms took in excess of 60 seconds. It is not just the size of the burrs I believe

I know there’s been a bit of hype around it but I’d recommend trying the Mazzer Philos if you get the chance. We’re still partial to the odd ‘traditional’ espresso with a decent body too and they really shine on the ‘200’ burrs in the Philos. It’s capable with lighter roasts also but not so much so that it favours clarity over body. I’ve always thought those ‘endgame’ US made grinders are for the real light roast enthusiasts with meticulous puck prep and great tastebuds. Certainly not something I’d be tempted by even though I’m sure they’re brilliant.

@"HarveyMushman"#p70395 I have a T64 with SSP burrs and I am afraid it does nothing for me! I cannot imagine the Philos burrs being any better……I do prefer conicals

> @"HarveyMushman"#p70395 I’ve always thought those ‘endgame’ US made grinders are for the real light roast enthusiasts with meticulous puck prep and great tastebuds. Certainly not something I’d be tempted by even though I’m sure they’re brilliant. Denis has been active on H-B for over a decade (to my knowledge at least), I don't recall the party faithful being in the light roast camp at all.

@"dfk41"#p70394 - Dfk… what you need is a beefed up upgraded “Niche Zero Plus”. Like a Niche Duo, but instead of big flat burrs… conicals instead. 👍

> @"MediumRoastSteam"#p70399 [dfk41](https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/d/2794-kafatek-monolith-71mm-conical/5) - Dfk… what you need is a beefed up upgraded “Niche Zero Plus”. > > Like a Niche Duo, but instead of big flat burrs… conicals instead. 👍 Like a Craig lyn HG1 prime for instance. Perfect.

Kafatek Monolith 71mm Conical

dfk41

Adrianmsmith I had one of the first HG One’s when they were released. This was back in the day of course. I hated it in every way imaginable! A couple of years later I did buy another, and hated that one just as much!

Adrianmsmith

dfk41

Ok.

The prime is very different.

Not sure why he chose to still call it hg-1

JimmyP

dfk41 Wow! Why did you hate HG1? I can see the issue with lighter roasts for espresso 🤔

dfk41

Adrianmsmith I will take a cursory glance! Still a hand grinder!

Adrianmsmith

dfk41

No, David this is so much more 🥰

Its not just a hand grinder

This is a Craig Lyn hand grinder, lovingly created for the pleasure of connoisseurs such as those from the north east 🫣, where rusty old monstrosities are lovingly known as Angels!!

This is a real grinder for life 🫣☕

pjw

dfk41 gnoring that and just going off the info above, what do folks think $2450 plus shipping and import costs will turn out at?

This is great grinder, you will be happy user.

But, If you can find MC4, this is the last model with Mazzer burrs, it will be bit closer to K10.

Also, it will be much cheaper.

mathof2

dfk41 what do folks think $2450 plus shipping and import costs will turn out at?

I bought an MC6 last year. Shipping to London was $180. Customs, etc was £274.08.

I have no complaints about the grinder. I use it for medium and dark roasts. Light roasts are better with my Kafatek Flat (SLR burrs).

Rob1

Isn’t someone selling a Weber Key on here?

JimmyP

Rob1 Great deal. Great bargain from a trusted seller.

Adrianmsmith

Yes!!

https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/d/2605-weber-workshops-key-coffee-grinder-83mm-tin-coated-conical-burr-variable-speed

dfk41

Adrianmsmith I wonder why no one seems to be interested in either your Key or my Solo?

MediumRoastSteam

dfk41 - O would be all over it if I were in the market for a flat burr grinder. But I already have a Niche Duo, 83mm flat which does a wonderful job with the added bonus of a very simple workflow. Pop beans in, turn it on, wait 30 seconds, turn off.

Good luck with the sale. It’s a bargain.

profesor_historia

dfk41 in my humble opinion I don’t t think you need to pay more than 1K for a grinder, you will enter into the diminished returns territory. When I used to make espresso a few years ago I used the Compak K10 and also the E10, both were beast. I got the best espressos in my life. I also had the Mazzer Kony which uses the Niche 63mm conical and the results were fantastic. Don’t think I you will notice a difference from 68mm to 71mm and honestly just to avoid a bit of retention I wouldn’t pay around 2500€.

dfk41

profesor_historia I Have a Niche Duo so would be moving from 63 to 71mm conical. But, like you, I just cannot see me really getting an awful lot out of spending 2 to 3 k on something. I would probably buy a K10 if I could find one at the right price for the condition, but most of them have been in a commercial setting and well used. The strange thing is, now that I am at a stage of life where I could buy a new Kafatek, I simply know it is not the right thing for me to do…..this is the wrong time of life to start having a conscience!

Rob1

What’s the difference between the Key and the monolith aside from the monolith being smaller burs? I’d think the key would be better, no?

dfk41

Rob1 I think @Adrianmsmith is best placed to answer that one! Even though he does not have a Monolith he does have an HG One Prime which I believe uses the same, or similar burrs as the Key

Adrianmsmith

dfk41

I have the key and prime.

Both have the same burrs except the key has the weber TiN coating treatment .

My only slight niggle with the key is it needs a slight rdt spray to stop the static .

Not quite one full press of the weber bottle does the trick, so next to no mist, but, i have this thing about not wanting to do any rdt!!

Not required on the prime.

Coffee from both is great and i like both these and the Philos.

The key and prime have less mouth feel than the zero and they are very close but still different to the Philos. I have difficulty describing taste!!

I dont have room for the prime and key, hence its for sale . Luckily im in no great rush!! Theres some weird pleasure using the prime!

David, do you ever venture down to Derby or Nottingham….. im stuck in the middle if you wanted to call in.

JimmyP

Adrianmsmith Mouthfeel with milk? 🤔

JimmyP

dfk41 I think you have no intention of buying one and we should respect that 🙂👍

MacPhisto

I have an MC6 with an Evo2. Before that, I previously used a major (so 83mm flat to conical). There’s a lot that I like about the monolith. It’s solidly and precisely built, quiet, very low retention for single dosing, clean, and incredibly consistent. The burrs, on taste, are probably a little bit punchier than the older mazzer 71mm. Less places to hide for a bad roast. Really easy to dial in. I still use a few spritzes of water and a stir. Probably not necessary but helps for that last bit of consistency. If I spray, a couple of wet beans will need a puff of air to clear mid grind. It’s not fast, taking about 22 seconds for 18 grams. There is also a trick required for the 3 ear 54mm portafilter and the forks but it holds it great once adjustments are made.

It’s expensive and no frills. It’s got one job to do and it does it well. I’m not sure if it’s worth the price increase over some of the other conical grinders mentioned, but I have no complaints and no desire to look at other grinders.

Indica

I have a recently acquired MC6 and basically it’s what MacPhisto said.

Is it expensive - yeah

Does it do a great job - yeah

What do I like about it - great form, great function, great coffee

Is it worth the markup from other grinders - dunno, but it’s the grinder that I wanted. YMMV

Am I satisfied with it - totally

Adrianmsmith

MacPhisto

@dfk41

Wow!!!

I thought the requirement for a slight RDT was just in the Key!!

Its that step i just do not like!!

But, seat belts are second nature now, maybe one day RDT will be too. My wife prefers EDT!

I still prefer

Water Droplet Technology

though 🫣😎

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