Wow, I’m not doing any of this right….I will have to film what I do. I do use a spoon, but not like you think

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    Well I did my first attempt using your method Hornbyben and it tasted lovely! Not bitter or harsh but just a lovely cup and yes, the India Monsoon Malabar AA from Rave which says has a smokey flavour profile is actually something I am getting.

    Wonderful!

      DavecUK surely the fun part is there’s no such thing as right. That’s what makes it so frustrating. There’s always something different you can try 🤣.

      Pompeyexile, in glad you enjoyed it

            hornbyben surely the fun part is there’s no such thing as right. That’s what makes it so frustrating. There’s always something different you can try 🤣.

            You are right.

            I’m thinking next time to try it when there’s a full moon and Venus is in conjunction with Jupiter, standing on one leg whilst emitting a medieval gregorian chant and wearing nothing but a marino woollen thong.

            Perhaps then I’ll get the cocolate and cedar flavour notes too.

              Pompeyexile If 1 mug is 230-240ml of finished coffee, I’d start with an 18g dose & 270g of brew water. Here’s my regime for brewing with a courser end of drip grind.

                Thanks MWJB.

                So, that’s about a 6.7% ratio which I believe is what the Hoffmeister recommends. I’ll give that a go too and coursen my grind a little.

                2 months later

                root I just came across this thread..I’ve been collecting brewers (I know, I know) inc the TRICOLATE with which I’ve had some great successes and great failures! I pretty much follow Scott Rao’s recipe. Anyways maybe create a thread on Flat Bottomed brewers in general? (( ordered an OREAD too so lots to compare)

                  2 months later

                  I just took delivery of an Orea v3 flat bottom with some Kalita papers - first brew was an eye opener. I used the same beans I’ve been enjoying in my Clever recently, at very similar ratio and same grind - used Orea’s suggested 18g to 300ml in 5 pours which took about 2m30s total time.

                  Cup feels so much more extracted, much stronger bigger taste verses the 20g to 350ml I brew in my Clever for 5m. Feels far more caffeinated too, I’m not particularly caffeine sensitive but buzzing off my nut after drinking it !

                  I have kept a simple brew regime. The v60 for a short steep and Clever for a long steep, which is usually 30 mins - 45 mins.

                  While @MWJB will advise you on your brews, I think the different strength levels between Orea and Clever are because the latter requires a long steep of at least 20 mins or more. This will also allow you to grind finer for Clever.

                  IMO, if you want a good comparison, you might pick up a V60.

                  I’ve got a Hario Switch I’ve not played with much, which if I understand correctly with the valve open is pretty similar if not identical to a V60.

                  I’m just really surprised at how different the same beans/grind/ratio can be in such a quick time when brewed a bit differently in a flat bottom pour over vs an immersion conical.

                  • MWJB replied to this.

                    DavecUK I have an espresso machine (well a few of them)

                    And the prize for “understatement of the year” goes to…

                      gotters

                      The flat bottom v conical brewer is less relevant. It’s more the pour over vs immersion - pourover washes out the coffee, the hot water in the coffee bed is continually replaced. In immersion the coffee sits in the same, cooling water, gradually leeching out the solubles.

                        I’ve recently started dabbling with filter coffee and so far can’t recommend the clever dripper enough (Hoffmann’s water in first recipe).

                        I’ve also tried many V60 and orea V3 recipes but not liked anything as much as the clever. I guess a hario switch would give you the best of both worlds, I’d be tempted to swap the clever for a switch so I can use the same filter papers for both methods.

                        • LMSC replied to this.

                          Newdent I’ve also tried many V60 and orea V3 recipes but not liked anything as much as the clever.

                          Please scroll up, watch @MWJB’s video and brew V60. Your view should change. Hoffman’s V60 is also good. But Mark’s give a sweeter and a balanced cup.

                          Re-Clever, I again prefer Mark’s;

                          • paper filter, Swiss Gold, Grind finer
                          • all water in, powder in, sink crust (or) ⅔ water in, powder, ⅓ water
                          • steep for 30 to 45 mins
                          • pour on a pre-heated cup
                          • have settled on 20g powder to 225/230g of water.

                              LMSC steep for 30 to 45 mins

                              I’m probably being very dumb but surely after steeping that long won’t it be as Foreigner once sang….

                              As cold as ice?

                                  Pompeyexile Also, wrap it in a blanket. If both the pre-heated cup and the blanket-wrapped brews are not enough, one may quickly warm up in microwave for 15s. Noting would be last, IMO.