So if it’s sprung, then is that not a bit of a risky thing

I mean making a spring lever that is cheaper than your main products but just as good, why would people then buy the likes of say the lr24? Surely the only advantage it then has is adjustable pre infusion.

I dunno, I’m not bothered. It’ll just end up like most other lever threads

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    Cuprajake why would people then buy the likes of say the lr24?

    Because it’s got a copper boiler!

      Cuprajake why would people then buy the likes of say the lr24? Surely the only advantage it then has is adjustable pre infusion.

      From my perspective, providing it delivers within acceptable parameters:

      • form factor (a lot smaller);
      • Price (£1k rather than £3.5k);

      I don’t think it will kill the existing range, but it would rather complement the range if done right. For me, the main concerns as an end user are the the brand new group and it’s operational capabilities (temperature range, stability, monitoring, pressure range, etc). Hopefully all of those will be demonstrated at some point, openly. And, if it delivers, I’ll seriously consider it. Unless ACS comes up with their own… 😊

          dfk41 Buy a used Cremina. You get the benefit of owning a Swiss made historic machine that is a known value and if you shop around should be available at under a grand

          But most of them are direct lever, right? (I.e.: no spring) Besides, they are known for being thermally unstable, like the Pavoni.

          I would only consider the Vectis if demonstrated to be capable. Otherwise I wouldn’t go anywhere near it.

              MediumRoastSteam Totally agree, for me a small form factor is highly desirable.

              LMSC

              Should I have a wish list, love the LSM group, PID control would be great, a boiler cover (burns are part of the La Pavoni/Elektra MCAL owner experience, lol!), modest weight and proportions…Mara X sized would be brilliant for the modern sized kitchen

              Spring or direct lever, either is fine if there can be assistance given to the spring , like the Gaggia Mini…

              An open boiler is a much simpler beast in terms of stability but most people want steam….

              Structural strength can be engineered in without spending a fortune on heavy plate, it’s a matter of intelligent design

              Wow, this is dangerous territory for someone who thought they’d got to their personal happy place, lol!!!

                  dfk41 Used Creminas in The Antipodes are made of Unobtanium, with consequently silly prices used…around $4,000 plus if and when they come up….new they’re RRP AUD6,890.

                  I’m not that keen on LM myself but a new Linea Mini is AUD7399, and a Bianca is AUD4399……Cremina’s really a bit spendy for what you get here.

                      dfk41 Lol! Not writing it off, just well outside my budgetary restraints, being semi-retired 🙂

                          CafeNoir

                          Semi retired just means you are closer to either being dead, or worse, told by your doctor that you cant do coffee any more.
                          Spend your $$ before someone else gets to.
                          You can always follow TomPoland’s route and buy/try/sell.

                              CoyoteOldMan

                              No mate, he keeps things at home quite minimalist from what I have seen.
                              He also sells his lightly used equipment at very philanthropic prices to fellow coffee enthusiasts.

                                Why are there no pictures of this machine yet? It’s been in the works for more than a year right?

                                  dfk41 Five years!? 😯

                                  Odyssey Argos has had pictures and a checklist online for ages now.