I saw this picture posted on their Instagram account so presume it is ok to post here. I am not sure what it shows as the hold up was supposed to be cast groups, but from the blurb it does sound promising! I wonder what the eventual price point will be. I must say the renders that found their way out did look enticing! [URL=https://i.imgur.com/VjIJQ2f.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/VjIJQ2f.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [URL=https://i.imgur.com/ak5AeE1.png][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/ak5AeE1.png[/IMG][/URL]

Last year, the announced expected price was 1000 GBP (probably + VAT).

@"pjw"#p6893 Well, allowing for things to have changed slightly in the pandemic, I would have thought a price around the £1400 to £1500 would be quite acceptable, although of course, the lower the better!

Argos is still being offered at 850 USD. Vectis can and will be more expensive, but probably not that much. 1500 GBP will too close to L Compressa. But we will see.

id say rightly so as the argos needs to be good value as its stand alone and a new company, the pandemic may have priced the vectus out the market, due to where it will sit, you'd have to be a lever nut or ££££ to buy it over something like a bianca

> @"Cuprajake"#p6902 you’d have to be a lever nut This is the target audience :)

> @"Cuprajake"#p6902 the pandemic may have priced the vectus out the market, due to where it will sit, you’d have to be a lever nut or ££££ to buy it over something like a bianca David may not be right, I remember a quoted price for it being £1,000…On HB Reiss was quoted as saying it was/would be more temperature stable than a Cremina and talked about simplicity. Perhaps he is aiming for the potential Cremina market? If he is, I think that's a tough nut to crack. I do agree that you would have to be a lever nut, or really, really want one.

Another nugget of information released by Londinium on this machine: https://londiniumespresso.com/blog/news/3442/vectis It reads: > At last, a small 58mm spring lever group. Direct fill, no pump, dipper fed, steam wand. 20cm wide, 30cm deep That’s roughly the size of the Elizabeth, transposed, slightly smaller. It’s a dipper though. I’d love to know what’s the trick on temp management. Looks interesting though, and certainly something I’ll be eyeing out as my next machine, providing it can be demonstrated it delivers.

> @"dfk41"#p6878 I am not sure what it shows as the hold up was supposed to be cast groups It seems to be the top of the group, where the lever pivots > @"DavecUK"#p6927 I do agree that you would have to be a lever nut, or really, really want one. Aren't these effectively the same thing? (Semi-serious question - given the competition and the possible price point)

I wonder what the price point will be, esp with the current climate

@"Cuprajake"#p23428 The price point is largely irrelevant until they are available Jake. All we have heard to date is promises and broken time tables all laced with the usual sprinklings of fairy dust. The Evo went from an idea we chatted about to production in 10 months, so what makes the little diddly so different. Personally, I would be surprised to see it surface anytime soon with the Argos looming, but what do I know.

Londinium Vectis

Cuprajake

So if it’s sprung, then is that not a bit of a risky thing

I mean making a spring lever that is cheaper than your main products but just as good, why would people then buy the likes of say the lr24? Surely the only advantage it then has is adjustable pre infusion.

I dunno, I’m not bothered. It’ll just end up like most other lever threads

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CoyoteOldMan

Cuprajake why would people then buy the likes of say the lr24?

Because it’s got a copper boiler!

MediumRoastSteam

Cuprajake why would people then buy the likes of say the lr24? Surely the only advantage it then has is adjustable pre infusion.

From my perspective, providing it delivers within acceptable parameters:

form factor (a lot smaller);
Price (£1k rather than £3.5k);

I don’t think it will kill the existing range, but it would rather complement the range if done right. For me, the main concerns as an end user are the the brand new group and it’s operational capabilities (temperature range, stability, monitoring, pressure range, etc). Hopefully all of those will be demonstrated at some point, openly. And, if it delivers, I’ll seriously consider it. Unless ACS comes up with their own… 😊

dfk41

MediumRoastSteam Buy a used Cremina. You get the benefit of owning a Swiss made historic machine that is a known value and if you shop around should be available at under a grand. Then you have nothing to worry about going forward as they are a known perspective

MediumRoastSteam

dfk41 Buy a used Cremina. You get the benefit of owning a Swiss made historic machine that is a known value and if you shop around should be available at under a grand

But most of them are direct lever, right? (I.e.: no spring) Besides, they are known for being thermally unstable, like the Pavoni.

I would only consider the Vectis if demonstrated to be capable. Otherwise I wouldn’t go anywhere near it.

CafeNoir

dfk41 Used Creminas in The Antipodes are made of Unobtanium, with consequently silly prices used…around $4,000 plus if and when they come up….new they’re RRP AUD6,890.

I’m not that keen on LM myself but a new Linea Mini is AUD7399, and a Bianca is AUD4399……Cremina’s really a bit spendy for what you get here.

Enea_

MediumRoastSteam “thermally unstable” while true for the Pavoni, is going a bit too far for the Cremina. “requires some -minimal- thermal management” might be more accurate.

MediumRoastSteam

Enea_ - ah, ok. I thought they were roughly the same in that regard. My mistake then. 👍

dfk41

I thought it might just be worth revisiting these 2 updates to the little diddly by Londinium in June last year

CafeNoir

MediumRoastSteam Totally agree, for me a small form factor is highly desirable.

LMSC

Should I have a wish list, love the LSM group, PID control would be great, a boiler cover (burns are part of the La Pavoni/Elektra MCAL owner experience, lol!), modest weight and proportions…Mara X sized would be brilliant for the modern sized kitchen

Spring or direct lever, either is fine if there can be assistance given to the spring , like the Gaggia Mini…

An open boiler is a much simpler beast in terms of stability but most people want steam….

Structural strength can be engineered in without spending a fortune on heavy plate, it’s a matter of intelligent design

Wow, this is dangerous territory for someone who thought they’d got to their personal happy place, lol!!!

dfk41

CafeNoir It is peculiar. Last Cremina I owned had been totally stripped down and rebuilt and I had to give it away at 800! I would not be so fast as to write off the LM group until you have tasted coffee from one!

CafeNoir

dfk41 Lol! Not writing it off, just well outside my budgetary restraints, being semi-retired 🙂

Amberale

CafeNoir

Semi retired just means you are closer to either being dead, or worse, told by your doctor that you cant do coffee any more.
Spend your $$ before someone else gets to.
You can always follow TomPoland’s route and buy/try/sell.

CoyoteOldMan

Amberale I thought Tom’s route was buy/try/buy another?

Amberale

CoyoteOldMan

No mate, he keeps things at home quite minimalist from what I have seen.
He also sells his lightly used equipment at very philanthropic prices to fellow coffee enthusiasts.

whinmoor85

Why are there no pictures of this machine yet? It’s been in the works for more than a year right?

dfk41

whinmoor85 I bet there are loads of computer images! First talked about October 2017 when a bunch of the faithful all put their names down as potential owners……thats fan boys for you!

whinmoor85

dfk41 Five years!? 😯

Odyssey Argos has had pictures and a checklist online for ages now.

DavecUK

whinmoor85 Paolo developed the Evo during covid…in 6 months or so

dfk41

DavecUK Shows the power of being in control of your own destiny!

LMSC

dfk41 Bizzare though. Giving the benefit of doubt, 2 ¾ years. It’s too long a time. I wonder recent product developments keeps it on the innovation table. One needs to draw a line. Otherwise, any product will never see the light.

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