AI Note takers

dfk41

I wondered if anyone had experience of these things. They are totally new to me but seem a very good idea. Mine would be non commercial use. I have occasional meetings still and do record quite a few phone calls. I have narrowed it down to 2 at the moment. Same price and the main difference seems to be the Amazon one gives 300 minutes of transcribing a month and the EchoScrib 400. Can anyone comment? If I was still working then the Plaud AL seems the leader but for me, more of a practical toy!

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Gagaryn

Not sure what your use case is, but what are you looking for over simply using an app on your phone? Copilot does an excellent job of making coherent notes from a meeting recording.

dfk41

Gagaryn Being an old fuddy duddy I prefer stand alone things. I like the idea of being able to record phone or live chats. I am retired so no work application but I still attend meetings and the like……plus I like toys!

JammyDodger

My experience is in medicine, so a different use case to yours. That being said, many medics I work with use Heidi, which is a medic-specific dictation platform. Due to the added vocabulary and very specific directions in my field it is incredibly important - both for accuracy and from a medicolegal perspective - that the software is competent and accurate. Amazingly (?alarmingly?!) it seems very good, and I would say a dedicated piece of software should work well.

As long as you don’t mind it feeding off your input, and eventually stealing your job and/or wife and children.

HarveyMushman

JammyDodger Amazingly (?alarmingly?!) it seems very good, and I would say a dedicated piece of software should work well.

As long as you don’t mind it feeding off your input, and eventually stealing your job and/or wife and children.

Indeed. I work in design for tech and despite initial rejection of the concept, have been dragged kicking and screaming into implementing AI into my day to day processes. It’s both incredibly impressive and slightly terrifying.

@dfk41 as a note, I’m sure you said you worked in accounting or PFA. I’m sure you’ve considered it but as @JammyDodger pointed out, these tools by their nature use your data to learn so be careful if there are confidentiality concerns on calls.

Clodius

If you’re using MS Teams you can use Copilot

JammyDodger

HarveyMushman

HarveyMushman be careful if there are confidentiality concerns on calls

Absolutely right - I have to take specific consent from my patients prior to using AI dictation software, as it is recording both parties. This isn’t related to litigation (although having a clear record of what was advised is incredibly helpful were someone to consider something like that), just that being individually mic’d up would be weird.

dfk41

@HarveyMushman Just to clarify. I worked as an Independent Financial Advisor for 23. years , retiring in 2019. This type of technology would have been invaluable to me, allowing me to record a client meeting then supply them with a transcript. This would have cut out so much of the ‘you never explained that bit’ scenario!

Now I am retired, my memory is degrading. I still get involved in lengthy discussions, sometimes quite technical. I also am involved in what looks like it is going to be an enormous fraud case. I make copious notes but something like this device would save all the bother. I do not really need it in the work environment but it could be a really useful tool for me. I doubt that I would need extra data a month so it is just the initial purchase, which is fine.

I will be making my mind up over the next couple of days. I think the device can be separated into 2 areas: the recording device and then the App. I initially saw the item (The Plaud AI)) advertised through GB news and with this sort of thing I suspect the software is more important than the hardware. This is why I asked if there were any users of this sort of device. The Plaud is dearer @£140 but you can get a £10 off voucher and whilst I dislike branding usually, sometimes bigger is better!

Cuprajake

dfk41 I also am involved in what looks like it is going to be an enormous fraud case.

You’re not taking decent to court

dfk41

Cuprajake Nope……any more guesses…..LOL

Cuprajake

dfk41 kiplings ?

dfk41

Cuprajake Rudyard or Mr?

Cuprajake

dfk41 mr

dfk41

Cuprajake I do not take people I like to court, so both are safe……..

Platypus

I’m slightly sceptical of AI’s accuracy after receiving a medical letter following a consultant telephone review . Apparently I’m now male and have severe pain……both news to me!

I’m just glad the Doc didn’t diagnose “acute angina” as this would have really confused it. 😳

Adrianmsmith

I’m an old fuddy duddy, not quite caught up with david in years

I do not get the high speed quest for AI

Its time we went bact to Actual Intelligence.

Google search EK43s vs Kafatek flat grinder as a genuine enquiry.

Maybe I’m lacking actual intelligence.

Anyway, how accurate is the response:

AI Overview

The Mahlkönig EK43 has conical burrs and is known for producing a clean, bright cup with a full body, ideal for filter coffee and light roasts, though it can be challenging for espresso due to potential lack of fines and high static. In contrast, a hypothetical Kafatek flat grinder features flat burrs, yielding greater flavour separation and complexity, especially for lighter roasts and espresso, though it may create a less traditional, fuller body compared to the EK43. The EK43 is a very fast grinder that can struggle with static and has a minimal espresso range, whereas a Kafatek flat grinder offers more versatility for espresso and emphasizes complexity.

Mahlkönig EK43 (Conical Burr Grinder)

Burr Type: The EK43 uses conical burrs, which are known for generating a blend of flavors with a traditional full body.

Flavor Profile: Offers a very clean and bright cup with a focus on the inherent sweetness of the bean, and the flavors become more pronounced as it cools.

Best For: Excellent for filter coffee and light roast beans due to its speed and clean grind.

Drawbacks: Can produce a less uniform particle distribution, resulting in fewer fines. It is also prone to high static, requires frequent cleaning, and has a limited espresso range.

Kafatek Flat Grinder (Hypothetical)

Burr Type: Features flat burrs, known for creating greater flavour separation and more defined tasting notes.

Flavor Profile: Produces a more dynamic cup with enhanced sweetness and complexity, making individual flavour notes more distinct.

Best For: Generally recommended for light roasts and espresso, where the emphasis on clarity and complex flavours shines.

Drawbacks: Can generate more heat, which may affect flavour in espresso, and may have a less traditional, blended flavour profile compared to conical burrs.

Key Differences to Consider

Flavor: Conical burrs (EK43) tend to blend flavors for a full body, while flat burrs (Kafatek) offer more flavour separation and clarity.

Application: The EK43 excels at filter coffee, while a flat burr Kafatek is well-suited for espresso and complex light roasts.

Grind Characteristics: The EK43 has very few fines for a cleaner cup, while a Kafatek flat grinder produces a more uniform and fluffy grind

dfk41

Adrianmsmith I only wanted to be able to make voice notes!

Adrianmsmith

Adrianmsmith Mahlkönig EK43 (Conical Burr Grinder)

Burr Type: The EK43 uses conical burrs, which are known for generating a blend of flavors with a traditional full body.

Flavor Profile: Offers a very clean and bright cup with a focus on the inherent sweetness of the bean, and the flavors become more pronounced as it cools.

Best For: Excellent for filter coffee and light roast beans due to its speed and clean grind.

Drawbacks: Can produce a less uniform particle distribution, resulting in fewer fines. It is also prone to high static, requires frequent cleaning, and has a limited espresso range.

Kafatek Flat Grinder (Hypothetical)

Burr Type: Features flat burrs, known for creating greater flavour separation and more defined tasting notes.

Flavor Profile: Produces a more dynamic cup with enhanced sweetness and complexity, making individual flavour notes more distinct.

Best For: Generally recommended for light roasts and espresso, where the emphasis on clarity and complex flavours shines.

Drawbacks: Can generate more heat, which may affect flavour in espresso, and may have a less traditional, blended flavour profile compared to conical burrs.

Key Differences to Consider

Flavor: Conical burrs (EK43) tend to blend flavors for a full body, while flat burrs (Kafatek) offer more flavour separation and clarity.

Maybe this was a AI transcript of a LH video on YT?

Was the translation wrong or was the original conversation wrong.

Either way, not a good advert for AI

Adrianmsmith

dfk41

I drive a lot and often try in vain to reply to messages ( android auto) using voice typing

Having seen the results of single sentences id hate to see a full meeting “translated”

There sre too many similarly sounding words for it to guess at .

As with electric cars, the tech is being pushed out too early.

I’m not sure where it learns from but results such as those above about the ek43 do not give me confidence to trust it.

I will leave it at

What time is it or

Play radio 2…… which it does not always get right!!

At least it is obvious when it is wrong,!!

Cuprajake

Its only obvious if you know its wrong

If you were a newbie who had just watched a vid on YouTube and asked about an ek you would have no clue

Add to the fact that people have said ai results are tailored by the search engines…….just another load of bs

LMSC

(Generative) AI typically has a few problems, which are accuracy, reproducibility and hallucination.

It is great at summarising and creating new content. It is good at improving productivity on areas which are repetitive and manual.

However, a human in the loop is always recommended to ensure accuracy, safety, accountability or ethical decision-making.

HarveyMushman

LMSC (Generative) AI typically has a few problems, which are accuracy, reproducibility and hallucination.

It is great at summarising and creating new content. It is good at improving productivity on areas which are repetitive and manual.

However, a human in the loop is always recommended to ensure accuracy, safety, accountability or ethical decision-making.

Completely agree.

For Boolean processes (yes/no or right/wrong) I think AI will be genuinely world changing. For anything else I’m naively confident we’ll always need some level of human input.

And so we should, even if we get to a point where AI can properly ‘think and creatively ideate’, the individuality of human intellect is presumably impossible to replace.

Although I’m sure there will be attempts and at this point who knows what’s possible.

As long as it sends the S&P500 in the right direction I’ll be happy 😅