Dry or wet puck has no bearing on the brew, some machines will give dryer pucks.

Sometimes the Elizabeth can have pucks stuck to the screen

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    Cuprajake The puck sticking to the screen, is that machine specific? Or can happen with any machine?

        DrForinor Puck sticking can happen with any machine, usually a light downward pressure on the handle when unlocking can dislodge the puck when removing the PF. It’s simply a vacuum thing I think?. Puristika does it, sometimes Bianca does it, but it can happen more often on Liz, possibly the ring group used? On the lever machines a rapid lift of the lever, without even the pump activation properly unsticks them. Now of course the group vent is open, so the vacuum doesn’t really make sense, but then nothing is coming through when the lever is rapidly lifted and closed. Unless that’s enough to introduce the tiniest bit of water.

        I have wondered if there is a way to ensure puck release e.g. with machines like the Liz, to simply burp the pump once after the shot ends (a BR1 or 0 parameter ;), whilst keeping the solenoid valve open?? Just don’t know if it would work with the PF attached. I keep meaning to set up a test rig…but I might ask Lelit to try it for me. There’s a few other things I’d like to get programmed into Liz and also Bianca at the same time.

        As for temp as others have said it only displays 1 decimal and rounds up or down. So theoretically it could be deviating by 1.1C around the mean. It’s a tiny boiler as well, although I got mine to be pretty stable in the steady state, once it’s warmed up completely (nothing still sinking heat away and in equilibrium) and no shots pulled in a while. It’s always going to vary a tad though over time.

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          I haven’t had the puck stick yet though, but knowing me it’ll happen tomorrow 😅 My puck just seems to disintegrate when I throw it out, I haven’t managed to really get a fully dry puck that drops out all intact. Not that it’s something I’m aiming for, just wondered if I’m doing anything wrong.

          You won’t always.

          When I moved to the Bianca from the londinuim, my pucks were sloppy, one thing I prefer about levers is the dry puck

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          Is there is a reason why it happens some times and not other times? Can’t be pure luck?

          So many variables. Dose and headroom will matter. The coffee itself will matter. Grind. And, are you using the new IMS basket, or the stock basket? The stock basket has some nice sloping so the puck drops out really well for me.

            dndrich The funny thing is, I moved from my IMS basket to the standard Elizabeth double basket - and that gave me a worse puck than in the IMS basket 😅😅

              Well, part of the fun is that coffee is a dynamic product. We aim for consistency, but all we really want is a way to make nice cups. Your machine can do that and more! I’m using a very nice medium roast from Verve in Santa Cruz, CA. Very predictable classic flavor for coffee and espresso. Nice arabica blend.

                dndrich You are right, we only need a tasty cup. Though I can’t help but want perfection in every aspect of the process, OCD maybe? 😅😅

                Have made 4 cups today, today being the second day I’ve made coffee with it, and 1 last night. Out of the 5 total, only 1 was “dodgy” tasting. The other 4 were perfectly drinkable, not amazing by any means but good. In that regard I cannot complain - but I can’t help myself, I have a “need” to know why something is happening (or not happening).

                Tried 2 different coffee beans in it so far. Will try a different 3rd coffee bean tomorrow. I think the pre-infusion is definitely helping to get a fair bit of sweetness from the beans.

                Also the first time I’ve tried steaming milk, a lot to learn.

                  It’s also much more pleasant to make coffee in the Elizabeth, than it was in the Gaggia. How is that possible, the process is the same? I wasn’t making any milk drinks in the Gaggia so no steaming at all.

                  I found the Gaggia slightly stressful (perhaps too strong a word) but in this it’s a pleasure.

                    What would be the deciding factor in choosing a steam pressure pre-infusion, vs a non steam pressure bloom phase for the pre-infusion?

                      DrForinor It’s also much more pleasant to make coffee in the Elizabeth, than it was in the Gaggia. How is that possible

                      I’ve said it many times, the more expensive machines are just much easier to use, and much more pleasurable to use. I think it’s because they have a level of refinement the cheaper machines obviously don’t have. The ratio of successful to unsuccessful coffees also seems to go up, of course there is a point of diminishing returns.

                      DrForinor What would be the deciding factor in choosing a steam pressure pre-infusion, vs a non steam pressure bloom

                      This is part of the joy of owning a more advanced machine, you can actually experiment. For that particular coffee you have no one really knows, but the fun is in trying stuff out to see whether it improves things in the cup or not.

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                            DrForinor whichever method gives the better tasting coffee. You have two buttons on the Elizabeth which can be programmed. I have one set for steam and one set for bloom phase. I try them both when using a new bean or batch of beans and decide which I prefer.

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                                DavecUK You are so right!! I tightened up my grind (because yesterday’s grind was a little too coarse for the steam pressured pre-infusion) and then last second I decided to try the non steam pressured bloom phase (not taking into account I had ground finer). My timer for that button was set to 50 seconds, I got 16.7g out (for 16.5g in) and it was still drinkable!!!!! That’s amazing!! Just mind blowing coming from the Gaggia! I’m in love with this machine!

                                  Yorkie_Al How do you set one for steam and the other for bloom? I thought the only way was to switch the steam boiler off?

                                    Can anyone please tell me why I have water in this shot? The only other time I saw this was when I tried the bloom phase, and this was the bloom phase again. Have I not tightened the PF enough?

                                    16.5g in, 36.3g out in 35 sec, including 6 sec water in, 6 sec bloom.

                                      umm, id say not locked in far enough,

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                                        Cuprajake Yeh that was my initial guess. But I have water coming through the left spout also?

                                        Is it best to remove that “lock” sticker?