Spending Christmas looking after son’s cat. On the plus side, getting the chance to check out his Evo/Niche set up with beans I’ve been using on my Evo/EKs set up. Both Evos are set to 93/102c and the beans are light to light/medium. With the EKs, I aim for shots in the 25 sec range. Above 30 secs and the fruit notes become muted. Shots around 20secs are OK too but best through milk. Niche holds up very well producing great shots but, predictably, can’t attain the clarity the EKs can.

I was trying to get a light roast Colombian right recently and ended up going for 18g in, 45g out over about 35 secs and at 96c on my Sage DB/ Mazzer Major grinder. This changed the shot from overwhelming acidity into peach and marzipan notes. I have read quite a bit about extracting light roasts, and the prevailing wisdom seems to be that they are more tolerant of longer times to extract the same amount, and I have usually found this to be the case.

Thanks for all feedback.

@Systemic Pardon my ignorance but what does “set to 93/102c” mean? I assume that 93 is the temperature of the water at the group head but not sure of the reference to 102.

I’ll try that lower temperature and play around with volume but sounds like plenty of people are happy with 18g in. No issues with a lower puck height for light versus dark? @MediumRoastSteam @LMSC

    Systemic has an Evo leva. This has heater cartridges that are pid controlled, meaning that in the traditional sense, the water does not circulate from the boiler to heat the group., so the first temp figure quoted refers to the temp of the group. The second figure quoted is the temp of the pid controlled brew boiler. Were he using darker roasts then these figures would be lower

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      Do you use the stock or the IMS basket please ?

      The IMS26 basket is good for 18g - unless you have a convex tamper; the 18g will be on the lower side for IMS32 basket.

      You are going to require, on the IMS 32 for any roasts, at least 20g or the puck screen which I am not of fan of. You may need to slightly put up the temperature with the higher dose or grind a tad coarser. But, on your lever, the PI water flow is faster than the Evo. You may be fine with the same parameters for 20g. See how it goes.

        tompoland No issues with a lower puck height for light versus dark?

        I don’t really drink dark roasts, only light/medium roast sort of thing. I’ve tried lowering the dose before, but, for my humble tastebuds, on the humble Elizabeth, makes no difference whatsoever.

          LMSC IMS 32 on the Valexia. Decent 22g basket on the Decent, which is were I am attempting light roasts initially. The Decent is more forgiving so I figure that I’ll start with the easiest machine and once I’m getting some decent (sorry) pours I’ll move to the the levers.

          Think I’ll restart my attempts with 20g in the Decent, with the appropriate higher temperature and go from there.
          Thanks!

              tompoland I will be surprised, if your lever isn’t as forgiving as our Evo!

                For me, I’ve been on light to medium beans for ages, particularly natural process - an acquired taste but I love them. I use an 18g VST and run anything between 17.5-19g through it, and rarely worry too much about accuracy to 0.1g. Temperature wise I have my E61 set at “107” (which equates to about 94 at the group). I’m using an E37S which is 83mm flat burr. As someone above said, 1:2 can be a face full of grapefruit with some light roasts, and my go to is around 18:42, but the coffee I’ve just finished excelled at 18:54 in about 30-35″ (1:3) which is quite long ratio and relatively fast for an espresso of that volume but that was where the sweet spot was. Light roasts tend to give you less gloopiness, but more fruit, not necessarily very citrussy. Although I like the gloopiness of espresso, which is more forward in dark roasts, on balance I’ll sacrifice that for more character and fruit or boozy funk (from naturals). Going this route usually involves letting the old 18:36 chestnut go.

                  18 days later

                  On Strietman CT2, you can go for 96C and 18 gram basket. Fine grind, long preinfussion, maximum yield, longer brew time.

                  Hotmetal
                  I just upped the ratio of the Colombian from Colonna I have been trying to get right to 1:3 (in 28 secs would you believe?!) An 18.5g dose seemed to taste best in the end after several attempts. I tried it over 30 secs but it was bitter, and any lower ratio was far too acidic. These particular beans are honey process, but I am personally a fan of light roast naturals too.

                    1:3 isn’t particularly long, I’ve had delicious lighter roasted shots at 1:4 to 1:6.

                    1:2 hasn’t been a target for very long, nor consistently. When I was getting into specialty coffee it was all about the 1:1.55/1:1.6 shots. Different in a, ‘strip the enamel off your teeth’ kind of way. Then in 2013 everyone was doing a double take at Pete Licata’s 1:2.5 shots…the halcyon days of 1:2 never really were. Espresso is not, nor has ever been a ratio (though if 1:2 works for you, great).

                    Darker roasts are more palatable at lower extractions, because acidity is muted, irrespective if they are more soluble, or not.

                    Now I’m going to have to put the machine on and compare some of these longer ratio ones. I almost always pull longer than 1:2 but rarely longer than 1:3. Beyond that I start thinking Aeropress. Maybe I need to have a play and edumacate myself a bit on lungos.

                    ive never been a ‘neat’ espresso drinker bar a few, most go into hot water,

                    longer extractions are more palatable

                    Decent De1pro v1.45 - Niche Duo - Niche Zero - Decent is the best machine ever made -

                    I do like a neat shot here and there, and although I predominantly drink light to medium, as I don’t like roasty flavours, one of the things I like is that gloopiness. However to get that without it being sour you defo need to go more towards medium.
                    I probably drink 70%+ milky, 20% Aeropress, <10% neat. I often take a sip before the milk goes in, and if it’s delicious I just drink it neat.

                    all mine go through a eb superfine basket so there cleaner than the londinium shots i used to have

                    Decent De1pro v1.45 - Niche Duo - Niche Zero - Decent is the best machine ever made -

                    ‘all mine go through a eb superfine basket so there cleaner than the londinium shots i used to have’

                    As noted elsewhere, this is my experience of switching to the superfine basket.

                    2 years later

                    What about pressure? What pressure works best for lighter roasts? I started with 6 BAR peak and just tried 9 BAR, to increase the extraction.

                    And … how would you dial in lighter decaf (I have a Niche Zero, E&B 15 and 18g baskets, and a Decent). Any adjustments to your recommendations?

                    So far, I’ve tried 1:2 at 90C, then shifted to 1:2.5 at 92C and have begun to lose the sour notes. I guess I need to go to 1:3 at 94C?

                    I am so used to medium/medium dark roasts with caramel and chocolate notes that I am having trouble with fruit notes. It all just tastes sour to me. And I am used to/like fuller bodied shots. Some palate acclimatization is required.

                    I can set the shot up so that it moves onto a declining pressure if the flow rate exceeds 2 ml/second? Is that a good idea?

                    For you Decent owners out there, what profile(s) do you use? And if you use Visualizer, do you have or recommend any useful profiles from there, including yours?

                    Would I