Lagom P100

@chlorox because lance is a drama queen and likes the attention

I’m glad you like the new grinder it’s an absolute beast.

Fwiw I believe that burrs need a certain speed to work optimally, how big that window is I don’t know

I know from testing the duo, that Dave looked at many burrs, many speeds before settling in the rpm for the duo,

I think back in the day most grinders span at a speed the motor would go, but then that leads to

If a SSP burr made for a major spinning 1300rpm is then put in a duo at 350rpm what changes happen?

But a flip side to that is we adapt soooo quickly to taste, that back to back tasting is needed.

I would like to see a real world objective test with information about what am I missing by Only enjoying a £880 Mazer Philos as opposed to the Lagom and even the EG1 or monolith flat.

The EG1 is raved about by certain people, Hedrick, Rudolph etc one of which should know his stuff, but doesn’t seem popular to all.

The comparisons should clearly say things Like how much “better” the coffee is in the cup and what better actually means to the tester, i e. What i would find at home. And an impression of life span and expected repairs along the lifecycle.

Not sure how an informative comparison can be made by a brief overview at a trade show.

For me the Philos was my second most expensive grinder purchase.

For me it makes the DF83v2 look like a £300 grinder , in fact on a par with the smart grinder pro for consistency . Extremely disappointing purchase in many ways . Put me off the “DF” for good.

To me, Philos is better than the df83, niche zero and sage smart grinder pro(!!)

Then theres the t64. The philos should out-last the t64 by a margin but the coffee is pretty much on par . Not the same but then the differences are personal and one day you would prefer either . Both worthy of the home coffee bar.

Same comments really for the Duo. Very similar and getting closer to the same perceived build quality. I still have the Duo and Philos in daily use and the Prime a few times a week (my oldest and most expensive purchase!). Considering boxing the prime and giving the key a second chance now im ready to accept a minute squirt of mist isn’t going to hurt it.

I would love to be able to go further and compare the £880 to the £3000 but am not in a position to have this kind of kit sent to me for evaluation or to purchase one when I do not think i could see it as being better to give a 3.4 X price premium. Im not aware of anywhere having this kind if kit available to test.

As for the EK43 i get the impression it is a fantastic pour over grinder for a cafe but not a serious home grinder if your main interest is espresso. I see them when abroad working, in supermarkets where they throw kg after kg through it , grinding customers bean purchases. A real consistent work horse in that environment.

My job is nothing to do with coffee, other than a travel mug in my van(!) but im and engineer type and may look for different things than some of you on here. Im as interested in the design and build quality as i am in the taste in the cup.

I also appreciate the different costs associated with precision machining and assembly as opposed to my imagined view of a cheaper low quality plant and assembly line.

Notice the lack of the Chinese tag which so many freely toss around to mean low quality.

The best and the worst products come from China.

Then some great products come from Taiwan, USA, Italy, Germany and dare i say, UK.

Cuprajake
I am not sure that the ssp burrs were made specifically for any one grinder. At least I haven’t read anything to that effect. Iy makes sense to me that there will be a certain minimum rpm at which it needs to spin to evacuate grinds sufficiently fast enough to dump all of it out of the chute without needing to twack or click an evacuation device but that rpm will depend on the internal design of the grinder concerned. But unless the rpm is so slow that it causes the grinds to back up so badly it falls back into the burr chamber to be reground from the other direction, I don’t see why it should really matter from a results perspective.

chlorox the 83mm were originally. for the mazzer

DavecUK

Yes i was meaning the flat max 😎🤭

chlorox Secondhand EK43? I’ve seen a few under £1k.
But if espresso based be careful what you wish for, because it’s a whole new world.

I’m going to bowl for the EG-1 here! It is pricey, there is no doubt about that. But it looks and feels so good. The tactile experience of using this grinder is superior to any I’ve used. Odd to say that, but each use is a real pleasure. I think a lot of the price reflects design and materials, and I’m OK with that. For me the Core burrs make fantastic espresso. A great balance between texture and clarity. Is it the best grinder on the world? I don’t think that is an answerable question. For me it makes better coffee than a Vario, Ceado E37s (with SSP HU burrs), Weber Key and a Comandante C40 (all owned at some point).

I’d love to try a P100. From what I’ve read it will beat an EG-1 with Core burrs for clarity. Same goes for the Kafeteks. Super high clarity espresso is an interesting experience but for me espresso needs texture, as well as flavour separation. That’s why I think the EG-1 is so good.

I do love a Dave C long-form article as they are always informative. So I will read a review with real interest. Reading the previous posts here though I think Dave C has laid the smack down on my entire grinder history at some point 😂.

JimmyP
I believe the ek43 has a very narrow range for espresso unless Turkish burrs are used? The problem.with the ek43 is its dimensions that make it too tall for many kitchen counters as well as its high retention. Still, the ek omnia was very interesting though the same issues still appear to apply for the omnia as well.

axpetts
My understanding on the kafatek max 2 is that many report that its shuriken LM burrs are supposed to bring good clarity with good texture as well.

The eg-1 does look great. It looks like one of those hi tech equipment in high budget science fiction movies. The price however is difficult to countenance especially for a made in Taiwan 80mm grinder where labour and production costs should be lower than. In most western countries.