The price has increased quite a lot over the years but recently has dropped some.

Didn’t Jon buy the idea of the machine? Or did I dream that

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    For a Decent DE1XXL espresso machine, retailing at £3,728 (plus I don’t know what else in taxes) - would customers really bind an eyelid if they decide to sell the machine for £3,999 (e.g.) and make it a rotary pump version? I doubt it.

      MediumRoastSteam sorry for asking, English is not my native - do you mean that people will be fine with a 3999 GBP version with a rotary pump?

      the phrase I am familiar with is “nobody bat an eye”. thanks, 9gag

        None of the current DE1 Machines have rotary pumps. They are in the process of making a new machine though. not sure if that will have a rotary pump :)

          Cuprajake Yes it’s covered in his interview with James Hoffmann

          Thought it was,

          the rotary pump isn’t really suitable for the decent.

          A gear pump would work but still noisy

          Ive fancied a decent for years but that noise would really do my nut in haha

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          delta76 the phrase I am familiar with is “nobody bat an eye”. thanks, 9gag

          Seems like your English is better than mine :-)

          You are correct - that’s what I should’ve written.

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          Hi Graham, there are some shots where I’m sure I’d fail a blind tasted test in terms of telling the difference, especially around the medium roast range.

          My previous theory was that the Decent can’t replicate a lever machine 100%, if for no other reason than the basket shapes are different. However since running a lot of shots from both machines I’m no longer so sure. A James or a Lance would most likely be able to pick them apart but assuming the right preset (profiles/recipes) is used on the Decent then I cant tell the difference.

          Clearly the Decent offers more versatility with presets such as the Adaptive profile which can adapt for grind size during the pour and Blooming which, with the right bean and burr set, excels at extracting a brighter and more intense espresso from lighter roasts. The Nurri can offer something similar to the latter for sure, just by increasing the temperature and pre-infusion duration only it’s not quite as automated.

          For me, the big difference really comes down to the user experience which is where the Nurri and other levers shine. It’s a far more immersive experience.

          If you like the lever experience and you are OK with a more limited range of options than the Decent (but still quite broad) then IMHO the Nurri is a beautiful machine to both look at and to work with. The paddles are a feature that is easy to dismiss as unecessary until you’ve used them at which point they sudddenly seem quite indispendable.

          In short, they are both end game machines.

          I am however selling the Nurri as sadly it’s not getting used enough to justify keeping it.

          JHCCoffee Hi JHC, sorry for the late reply. As @tompoland and @Cuprajake mentioned, the sogginess of the puck has no specific relationship to the quality of the shot. That said, I tend to updose my shots a little by using 16g in a 15g basket. I like having a little more depth in the puck, reduces channelling, and means I don’t need to be quite so specific with my puck prep. As a bonus I also get dryer pucks at most roast levels with the new group head parts.

          If you really want to dry them out you could add a puck screen or updose further.

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            Redla Just to clarify …

            As I understand it, Decent are playing around with the idea of alternative pumps but as per John Buckman’s policy of making no machine obsolete, if they do come up with a better option, it will likely be able to be retrofitted. So not a “new machine” as such. Apologies if I seem a little pedantic but thought it was worth clarifying for the sake of anyone who may be considering a Decent.

            And I’ve yet to see anything from Decent Land that would have me believe that it’s any more than an idea at this point. From memory, their new group head diffuser and spacer kit took over two years to test and another six months to get to market so I won’t be holding my breath waiting for an announcement about a new pump.

            While I’m here I may as well add my two bobs worth on the subject of inconsistency of pour times featured in Lance’s video. Strangely, I have had exactly the opposite experience. I know of other Decent owners who share Lance’s experience so I don’t think its a one off. I’m at a loss to explain why my machine performs with such extraordinary consistency and Lance’s later version does not. Go figure. I don’t have a clue as to why the difference but I’m following a thread on the subject in the Decent Diaspora platform so if any conclusions are reached I’ll try and remember to post an update here. Doubtless it’s also a hot topic in the independantly run Decent Discord platform so any non-Decent owners who are interested can doubtless follow the conversation there.

              JammyDodger If you really want to dry them out you could add a puck screen or updose further.

              or use a hair dryer?

              taking my tongue out of my cheek, @DavecUK very useful tip is to simply let the basket drain and to knock the puck out once it’s dried a bit. Very helpful for one-person-espresso households like mine. I just rest the basket end of the portafilter on a sponge while I enjoy my coffee and when I knock out the puck it’s normally dried enough to drop out in virtually one peice,

              tompoland While I’m here I may as well add my two bobs worth on the subject of inconsistency of pour times featured in Lance’s video. Strangely, I have had exactly the opposite experience.

              I’m with you here Tom. My DE1 has been rock solid, and am not sure why anyone else’s machine should be different. The only obvious variable I can see is the person operating it, which really boils down to consistency of puck prep.

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                If a machine such as the Decent only has a declared value of $500 for the hardware, then it is hard to see how the could use a rotary pump. Some have said they would rather have a rotary and pay more. I would have thought, and I have never seen inside one, that the whole methodology seems to be about saving space, that that would also be a big problem. I am not sure what folks think a rotary pump actually beings to the table? It is quieter, after that, I am struggling

                  dfk41 hat the whole methodology seems to be about saving space, that that would also be a big problem. I am not sure what folks think a rotary pump actually beings to the table? It is quieter, after that, I am struggling

                  Good points David and I suspect that some of it is “grass is greener”.

                  In regard to the pump, a big part of the design is centered around being able to alter the temperature almost instantly during the pour which is pretty darned clever. I’m not sure if there are any other machines that do that but someone may be able to enlighten me on that score. (And I’m not saying it’s necessary to have that feature, more that it’s a pretty neat trick and clearly valued by some.)

                  The noise of the Decent pump seems to annoy some but I really don’t know why. It’s relatively quiet after the noise of any electric grinder that I’ve used. Would I prefer it to be silent? Sure, but to my ears at least it’s not audibly invasive at all.

                  JammyDodger The only obvious variable I can see is the person operating it, which really boils down to consistency of puck prep.

                  But I suspect Lance, who highlighted the issue, is quite adpet at puck prep. He says he doesn’t have the same issue with the Linea (I think it was). So it’s left me wondering if the variable is in the actual Decent machines, be that a different voltage or other variable.

                  On the subject of voltage, John Buckman posted in Diaspora that when Lance moved from USA to Europe, John advised him to simply use a voltage adaptor but later realised that this could cause problems with lower and variable water pressure.

                  John then offered to ship Lance a new model because he felt bad about giving Lance incorrect advise. So Lance sent his machine back to Decent and that’s why the machine in Lance’s video is the brand new model.

                  I’m unclear on the timing of all this so I’m open to being corrected but I think that Lance’s reference to his frustrations of pouring shots of different duration pertain to his use of a 110v machine being used with a convertor in a 220v Europe.

                  I’ll see if I can confirm that by posting in Diaspora.

                  Or it’s just Lance being Lance, recently he’s ripped everything apart from the zerno grinder.

                  Pushed that as hard as the time more and the pre sale sold out in just 5mins 250 grinders. There already on the V2 version of the grinder whilst not fully having sent out the version 1 from march payments.

                  I’ve never know such fomo around coffee gear ATM,

                  Re the decent, I’m not sure it’s a machine that you would use for making 15 shots back to back. I look at it more as an experimental machine, while I’ve heard it be called a jack of all trades from previous owners stating their next machine was better, but that’s generally true with most who say what they have is the best so

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                    Cuprajake I think the day of the influencer is starting to wane. Strip it away, and you have a QVC salesman appearing on camera, trying ever so hard to make you buy the latest thing. I remember when Hedrick first started out and did not have much of a following. He promoted Sage products as that seemed to be the only sponsor available to him. He even had one named after him. Where are Sage now in the Hedrick portfolio?

                    I would question the technical ability of most influencers. They seem hell bent on persuading folks to part with their hard earned on what are often products still under development and no where near the finished article. If I know one thing only in life, I would not buy a half finished product from a QVC salesman. I just wish more people would see the bigger picture

                      Decent could use the small FOT DC pump, although even then they would be space constrained for the transformer required. There would be a second problem as well, I believe (could be wrong) they use 2 vibe pumps, one for the brew thermoblock and one for the steam one? If you used a single rotary, you couldn’t steam and brew at the same time…it would be problematic.

                        DavecUK I believe (could be wrong) they use 2 vibe pumps, one for the brew thermoblock and one for the steam one

                        My understanding Dave is they use two vibe pumps in order to dynamically mix hot and cold water to the specific temperature required for the profile. This allows accurate temperature profiling as the vibe pumps can pump very small increments of water if needed, and allows it to compensate for cooler coffee/ambient temp etc. They have a separate heater for brew and steam functions.

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