Installed a Eufy doorbell and homebase courtesy Costco offer then added three more cameras benefitting from Black Friday deals. Been really pleased with the set up. Scared the bejesus out of Mrs Systemic when she triggered the garden one using the inbuilt speaker. My son had an ADT system installed recently that was really expensive compared to my Eufy set up. It captured storm Franklin doing a fair bit of damage to one side of his roof. Given the size of some of the pieces that came off the roof and bounced on the garage roof, surprised they didn’t go straight through it.

I love my smart home tech. I’ve had a Nest video doorbell for a number of years as have a lot of Google Home speakers that it links to. We have a nest thermostat, hue bulbs, smart life and meross smart plugs which are all great with Google integration so have automations set up for when we’re home and away, including the coffee machine of course.

When we moved into our current house just over a year ago, the previous owner left a power over Ethernet 4 camera CCTV system with recorder. He was an electrician and did a great job wiring the house up. I changed the NVR this year to enable better remote viewing and next up will be better cameras at the front of the house that have person detection as these are so sensitive they alert every time it rains. Also have a standard alarm which weirdly has the ringer inside the house with nothing outside but accidentally triggered a couple of times and it’s so loud you’d want to leave.

Although there’s no guarantee it will put thieves off, we’ve had cars broken into down the road recently and each time we’ve been left alone so think CCTV does play a part.

I also fitted a TP Link Tapo wireless camera at my parents and that’s a pretty good budget system that lets them check who’s coming to their door now they’re getting older.

simonc Some great advice above. I think the best comment is make your house less attractive than your neighbours. If they know you have a safe, they are still coming in whatever you do. Forget internal cameras, they only know about those once in. I think best bet is external cameras, either on front door bell, or round the side and back. If someone looks over my gate they can see 2, with red IR lights at night.

Wifi and routers agree that Unifi is the way to go. Best is separate cable modem from router (USG) and separate wifi access points. I have multiple internal and the external one as well. All solid.

Wouldn’t recommend their cameras as needs their system unless you are really spending money on their high end gear. NAS and any 3rd party camera probably as good and cheaper or go with Apple HomeKit ones but you don’t get 24/7 recording there.

Home automation - Loxone is great if doing whole house rewire, but not the easiest to build out slowly. I use Indigo which is a Mac based software, is local only (but with external secure connection if required) that runs my lights (via z-wave modules behind the switches) so no changing bulbs or switches and still works if someone uses a switch, unlike Hue bulbs

Also does my TV, alarm, heating, Sonos (Sonos comes on playing ACDC full volume throughout the house if alarm goes off!), cameras, cable tv, basically anything electrical in my house and links all to HomeKit and Siri and Alexa. Built up slowly over a few years. Much much easier to use than the free raspberry pi systems but more expensive to buy, and needs always on Mac. Hubitat which I also use seems a cheaper easier system to setup but reasonably configurable and extendable.

If I had the money and was doing rewire then Loxone looks good. Be careful of things like Control4 etc as you don’t want to have to pay hundreds to company to add a new light or change logic.

Also be aware of what you want. Lots of companies will provide connected houses, ie one app on phone controls lights and blinds and alarm. But do you want to pull phone out to turn on a light or open a blind. You likely either want voice control or physical switches (and ability to easily change their logic) or you want smart. Smart requires some great logic and will be changed over time, again you don’t want to pay someone to do that. I don’t think I have touched my kitchen light switch in years. Motion and time controlled and depends on outside light levels outside, ie they come on if dark clouds during day.

Wow! Quite a lot to digest. Will do.

Modem —> Router —> Switch for Cat6 all over the house —> unifi APs are our current set up. The Unifi is only for APs.

We don’t see the need NAS yet.

Waiting for the Laxone guy to pay me a visit. I have already spec-ed out what I need in terms of switches and sockets. No Smart Bulbs for sure. This will be the first step.

I am kind of open if I want to shell out loads of money or go the DIY route. We don’t want to call some body for every upgrade or a change of gear.

Home Kit is one choice but is it not kind of restrictive - not as flexible or powerful . We want everything local. If we want remote, it will be a VPN.

Also, watching Matter compliance Thread for IoT network. Evo smart devices are Thread compatible, which will anchor Matter this year. Z-Wave is another choice. Hubitat, OpenHab are good; if combined with Z-wave or Evo, we can cut out the installer. I can call my electrician while dealing with electrical cables. It will give us flexibility to expand at will in the future.

We are not a fan of video cameras; but ok to put out 2-3 outside for extra security. But, nothing inside. I am also not letting a 3rd party to monitor the videos. That’s a big no. We do have ADT and we are ok with what we have with them. No Smart doors as well.

Smart Curtains or Blinds in a few places are just from holiday point of view. They won’t even fall in place in the first round.

I will create Vlans to isolate the IoT devices on my local network.

Did I miss anything ?

Thx

    LMSC

    There is the lots of money and buy a complete package, like Loxone.

    Buy a really good non cloud properly robust diy solution like Indigo

    Buy cheap diy solution.

    The user experience and customisation opportunities differ between all.

    HomeKit itself is limited with approved devices. However you can emulate devices so I have all my non HomeKit approved cameras routed into HomeKit and display, they just can’t record there (but do in NVR). Every device in my house can be controlled there, very few are HomeKit approved but all work flawlessly. This can be done within your controller or with a tiny program running on an always on pc, a NAS or raspberry pi

    It’s a great app , and has 3rd party versions and whilst think about Alexa and other cloud offerings, I have not heard any concerns about Homekit remote access to your house. The value Apple attaches to privacy I think you’ll be fine there. I do use VPN via USG but happy with HomeKit without.

    Zwave is separate from hubitat and open wave. Zwave is the hardware and hubitat and open wave (and Indigo) are the control software. There will also do zigbee and many other hardware devices.

    I’d take anything to do with Thread and Matter with a bucket of salt. Don’t count on anything stable and easy to use for probably several years.

      simonc Of course, I am aware of the difference! 😂

      The Laxone guy will come. I will have a chat anyway. I know it’s will cost me a fortune.

      Could you list what you have please ?

      We have apple kits mostly at home.

      Thx

        LMSC I have a Mac mini running Indigo software controlling z-wave lights, texecom alarm, Heatmiser heating, Spirit TRVs, Sonos, Virgin, denon amp, selection of TVs, irrigation. Via connection to Hubitat it controls Zigbee light bulbs and remote controls. All devices are controlled by Alexa from Indigo, and then I run homekitbridge on the Mac which publishes all those devices and cameras to HomeKit.

        I think that’s it… sure there are bits I am forgetting.

        Unifi USG and multiple wifi APs. Pi holes on pis and QNAP NAS.

        oh and the Harry Potter magic map that shows live location of keys and phones on a floor plan of the house!

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          simonc Awesome. That’s almost everything we could think of except curtains and blinds.

          I do like the simplicity of hardwares like Z Wave.

          @hornbyben - We will decide after speaking to Laxone consultant. We are struggling with dates for the visit.

          Elsewhere, I have got 3 quotes to replace all windows and doors. All are recommended by a builder who did our kitchen a few years back. The doors are from endurance. The windows are standard triple glazed UPVC frames matching building control / planning requirements. The planning said we don’t need an approval as long as the installers match the appearance , building control and issue FENSA.

          Velfac / Rational costs for all windows and doors may double or triple the cost.

          Velfac approved installer said they won’t do anything other than new dwellings. Rational - we haven’t contacted them yet.

          We remember one of the local companies telling us they can’t match the external appearance, if aluminium coated frames as they are limited by colour choices.

            LMSC I’m surprised they can match colour for aluminium. Normally they’re powder coated and you can have pretty much any RAL colour

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              hornbyben Yeah. Bizzare. They said they will struggle. They external colour is Rosewood, which I thought is a standard one. They said this one is tricky.

              What is the take on home assistant or Open Hab, if we find Laxone is very expensive? Thx

              Interesting thread …. which I seem to have missed.

              My take, which I’m not necessarily suggesting suits anybody else, is to consider security and home automation as not necessarily linked.

              For me, home automation is about our convenience. And nowt else. Part of that is what data I am prepared to let leak to the likes of Amazon (not too much) or Google (absolutely nothing if I can prevent it without massive inconvenience). So, I have a few Echo devices and some smart bulbs that let me turn lights on/off or dim, by voice (or switch/sensor, as well, in a couple of cases), and play internet radio. Not much else, and no way am I connecting cameras to that.

              Security is a different issue (for me) and I approach that with two different philosophies. Those are ‘obvious’ and ‘non-obvious’. Non-obvious involves some physical measures that are going to make getting in non-trivial. The obvious category is things that anyone walking/driving past might see, like alarm boxes, cameras or gates, walls, etc.

              The other factor is to consider who are are seeking to protect from. The meaures I would take against the casual local ne’er-do-well opportunistic a-hole are very different from what might work against a professional. For the latter, well, unless you’re setting up Fort Knox, the White House or Buckingham Palace (and at least two of those have had well-publicised breaches) it’s a case of not keeping out really serious burglars unless you’re spending mega-money.

              All you can do is either make it hard enough that hopefully they target someone else, or minimise the risk profile by not having anything to target that would make it worth their while in the first place. Or, potentially, by being crafty enough to appear to not have nothing worth their effort, and hiding it really cleverly if they try anyway.

              But be aware, there is (in my opinion) a very bad middle ground. I’d advise against taking suffiiently expensive preventative measures to keep the casual local idiots out, by going far enough to hang out a sign to the serious burglars saying “something here worth nicking”.

              So …. take all obvious basic steps - decent doors/windows, don’t leave ground floor doors unlocked and secure windows etc if you go out, chain any ladders etc down, or better yet, don’t leave anything like that laying around in the first place. That’s a set of examples, not a comprehensive list. Oh, and basic alarm boxes etc might deter the casual thief but too good a system risks advertising yourself to a more serious class of scumbag.

              You might even want to consider the alarm box you appear to have not being the one you actually do. Oh, and hard-wired is better, IMHO, than wifi for security functions. Other measures might include anti-climb paint, nasty bushes (with nasty needles ;) ) along fence lines to deter people climbing over, etc. Oh, and be aware of what you can do legally, and what you can’t - broken glass on the tops of walls for fences isn’t a bright idea, but a few bushes with loads of 2″ thorns or needles …. <grin>.

              Less obvious? Think about how you might get in if you had to break in? Where are the less secure points? Garage door is often one. You can also consider re-inforced door frames, and wood-clad steel-cored doors, etc. These aren’t that cheap, and even less so as a retrofit, but if done well, will be invisible from the outside. Good luck to anyone trying to kick my doors in …. when they get out of the foot/ankle plaster. ;)

              That kind of measure is effective against casuals, without screaming “something to protect” to professionals.

              Another factor, and it’s a major one …. the size, type and location of where you live. Living in a Beverly Hills mansion is going to present a different risk profile to a council house in Stoke on Trent, Deptford or well, anywhere really. That will be part of assessing who you are protecting against.

              Finally, consider exactly what you are protecting, what it is worth, and what both the cost and inconvenience factors of serious security are against the value of what you’re protecting, and/or where a more sensible approach is either to not hve extremely valuable items in the first place, or to ensure you insure them thoroughly.

              One reason I don’t have an extensive collection of Monet’s and Van Gogh’s is I can’t protect them. So it’s convenient I also can’t afford them. I can afford nice watches, jewelry, etc but chose not to have them, partly for security reasons. Also because while I like watches, I don’t like them enough to pay what a collection would cost. And the one I do have …. insured.

              I don’t want to live in a secure bunker, partly because of the inconvenience. I also don’t want the worry of loads of expensive and highly portable stuff. Sure, some stuff is expensive (though not in Picasso territory, or anything close) but some camera gear, computer gear etc is worth a fair bit. So, I have good insurance and if the worst happens, it can all be easily replaced.

              I take reasonable steps to deter casual riff-raff, plus some “non-obvious” measures, but don’t have anything likely to attract serious professionals, and not much to attract even less serious ones …. that isn’t insured thoroughly.

              We each have to calibrate our response to security according to our circumstances, what we’re trying to protect, who we’re protecting against and how much cost and inconvience taking more measure would involve, and whether it’s worth it or not. It is easy to get carried away with what you can do rather than what really makes sense to do, and to omit considering that more heavyweight measures might actually have a downside, in marking you as a target.

              All IMHO, and YMMV.

              5 simple things can make a house/garden less interesting compared to a neighbour’s house and cost little to nothing.

              • Beware of the dog signs
              • If you have a garage, use it a lot for the car (then it’s not always clear when you are in or out)
              • Unless you are using a downstairs room at that moment, keep the curtains closed (Kitchen and Utility don’t count). Saves energy too.
              • Turn on LBC, Talk Radio in the kitchen, or similar when you go out. Burglars like it when you’re not home), so don’t let them know you’re not there. There are also deterrent sound, but they don’t work as well
              • Lights on routines. (linked to sunset sunrise)

              Putting smart devices on cloud is no. It should stay local, subject to secured access if away from home is required. This is straight forward.

              We can never protect us from determined hackers or professional theivea.

              We all use our garage as a storage, is it not? Like all British homes, our garage is packed. 😁

              Playing a radio or a TV is an interesting idea. It needs to be done remotely to make it effective. Otherwise, it will run 24 × 7!

                LMSC Playing a radio or a TV is an interesting idea. It needs to be done remotely to make it effective. Otherwise, it will run 24 × 7!

                Simply put it on a schedule or a routine you run when you go out. When I leave the house, on goes a Talk radio channel (Alexa Device). If that deters a burglar, it’s worth it. When Going away, it doesn’t hurt to ask your neighbour to park on your drive, if your car isn’t going to be there for days/weeks.

                It’s important to make people unsure if anyone is at home.

                P.S. It might even be possible to fire up the Alexa if there is activity detected by the doorbell…I might try that one.

                  DavecUK Never tried a TV or a radio on schedule. Will have to figure out. We have a DAB radio in kitchen.

                  I have no objection to putting some smart devices on internet access, and some (like Alexa) won’t work without internet access. This, I grant, is a trade-off between security/privacy on the one hand, and veratility and convenience on the other. I’m prepared to give up a bit of security/privacy for that functionality. So, given that I use them for internet radio, it’s hard to avoid having them on the ’net. I have no problems with certain light switches, too. Anythng with a camera, or security implications, not a chance.

                  I have some IFTTT-type routines for my absence, controlling lights and scheduled noises, like radio BUT …. one weakness of that approach is that no net connection = no Alexa. So, I also have some lights and a radio on semi-randomising standalone switches.

                  Note - I said last post that I didn’t recommend what I do as necessarily suitable for others. In part, that was about the privacy compromise, and in part it was because of how I go about it. One, but by no means the only, aspect of that is VLANs, MAC-filtering and two internet connections keeping smart home devices OFF my fairly carefully secured primary network. It also gives me redundancy if my main net connection goes down, and if I’m away and not using the primary network, it gives redundancy to the security aspects.

                  But how far to go? That is the question. Redundancy on net connections is one thing, but none of it helps if household power goes down, and putting in generators to stop risk that is, for me, way overkill.

                  The whole game is, in my view, a bit like backing up your computer - it’s a balance between cost and convenience, versus degree of protection. I know if I don’t take it reasonably seriously it’ll bite me in the butt, and the question is when, not if. But at the same time, I’m not wanting to go overboard about it.

                    CoffeePhilE As you state about loosing power. I live in a New build so Electric and Gas isolation is outside, very easy to cut the power off by any unwelcoming visitors. So just another thing to take into account on what you instal.

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                      DavecUK while this sounds reasonable I’m not sure how true it is. It’s pretty common that burglars just ring the doorbell and makeup some story if you answer to see if you’re in.