Gagaryn The only arguments I have ever seen for no power generation mix and that all power should come from nuclear is from you! The idea of baseload generation coming from large power plants is already outdated - future production will be distributed as we are already starting to see - whether that is onsite solar, wind farm or SMR.

Tidal has historically been very expensive but that shouldn’t be a surprise as it it is relatively new and still small scale. But costs are already falling - by over 40% in the last five years and are now comparable with nuclear.

I have never made an argument for no generation mix?

I do however feel that windfarms and solar are not ideal goals to pursue and work out much more expensive than people realise. Much of that cost is hidden and will come over the lifetime of the systems, which are relatively ineffective.

I wouldn’t be opposed to a mix of some Tidal and mainly Nuclear. The problem with Tidal:

  • It’s still intermittent
  • Varies in it’s capacity daily
  • damages the environment
  • limited number of suitable and cost effective sites in the UK
  • Long build cost

Energy production needs to be very reliable, not intermittent. I also believe we need to stop burning fossil fuels as a world objective, not because of climate change, but because it is literally liquid gold. Hugely wasteful to use it up creating energy, when it is so valuable for other things. Sadly, the world will continue to use oil and gas until there is none left. Nothing on earth can stop this….fortunately the amount of fossil fuels is finite and I firmly believe the world will not end due to climate reasons if we burn it all up….Once it’s gone of course…the world might end for reasons completely unrelated to climate, as countries compete for ever diminishing resources.

Nuclear is expensive in the UK, only because we have not invested national effort into doing it right and keep wanting to pay the French and Chinese to do what we should be doing.!, whilst lining the pockets of other worldwide billion dollar companies (oil, gas, renewable etc.). Meanwhile people wait for fusion thinking we will have it in 20 or so years, another cruel joke, which the scientists perpetrate, because it’s good for business and jobs (their jobs). Progress reports and information from that “industry” are deliberately deceptive.

P.S. The problem with intermittency is we then need power that comes on stream rapidly (fossil fuels). If we have just bypassed a Nuclear power stations steam turbines, then what’s the point. There are reactors proposed by the EU (who want to dictate this), having manoeuvrability, the ability to ramp up and down. This significantly increases their cost, reduces efficiency and is still selling us a crock. I read the scientific papers on these reactors and basically they are only 40% reducible in power until 20 or so % of the fuel is used up, then you have to run them at 100% (Xenon problem again)..

Elcarajillo Yes I did see it, I think I first saw it a while ago, unless there is a different article on the same thing. The Windmill blades are not so recyclable either!

20 days later

Prices changed today,

With the money saved I’m buying..well nothing

Saved 5p a unit on electric

Saved 2.7p on gas

Standing charges the same

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      Cuprajake I moved to Octopus’ tracker last year.

      Ask Octopus if you can get onto their tracker tariff. Slightly cheaper gas per unit. Much cheaper electric per unit. Both standing charges are cheaper as well.

      This link has the daily prices.

      [https://mysmartenergy.uk/Tracker/London](https://)

        thats why i never went for it initally, smart meter

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          ours actually has smart but they are first gen, tied to british gas, id not want one fitting,

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            yeah, i just ment no one else can use it, so i just give radings

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            Across the Pond question here- is it your decision as a home owner what kind of meter you have?! Here in the states (in large cities that is) all of the gear up to your distribution panel is all owned and operated by the utility company. Same goes with water and sewer.

              Had a smet2 smart meter fitted a couple of years ago because we got an EV and wanted a home charger which we couldn’t have if we didn’t have a smart meter. Can’t say I’ve noticed anything untoward and yes prices have risen but nothing to do with the smart meter as I got it before the leccy and gas hike and my bills never changed before that.

                I’m with ovo and prices have changed for the better.

                My smart meter is the gen1.

                Pompeyexile Same here, I have got EV and home charger. Recently I moved to Intelligent Octopus and the price of charging my EV is amazing. I would not say that the smart meter is making me pay more for what we use. I am still trying to understand what about smart meter makes so many people to dislike it. I must be missing something.

                Current setup: ACS Vesuvius, Nuova Simonelli Mythos One. Past experience, Nuova Simonelli Apia 1 gr., San Remo Capri 1 gr., Bezzera BZ 35e, Fracino Heavenly. Anfim Super Lusso.

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                OldGregg It’s the same over here, though sometimes we’ll have a main switch to isolate the supply after the meter, but everything after that is the responsibility of the home owner.

                We don’t have a ‘choice’ per se, but the staggered/slow roll out of smart meters here means that some people still have the old style analogue or digital one way meters.

                4 days later

                So I have finally got around to taking a look at my Octopus account. How does this compare to others?

                Those standing charges are outrageous