DavecUK Nick Clegg was responsible for stopping Nuclear some 11 years ago, the reactors would have been coming on stream now…Nick of course no longer lives in the UK, he is well tucked up in LA, after leaving us “tucked up” for energy (add an f).

To be fair to Nick, who only ever managed to get to power as a deputy prime minister for a very short lived coalition in the UK, could not have predicted this would have happened (energy insecurity from natural gas from Russia). Compare it to Germany, which became nuclear free. The French are laughing.

I get the all eggs in one basket scenario and yes, when we look back in history it’s easy to conclude it was coming upon us. But humans and society in general have short lived memories, and definitely don’t seem to learn from previous events that much. Politicians can only be elected with the support of the masses, and fortunately or not, they are the ones responsible for us as a nation going forwards. There are plenty of mess ups politicians did over the past many years - I won’t got into details, and ultimately my opinion, in a coffee forum. Energy security “mess up” is only one amongst many.

There was an article in the press the other day stating there would be a problem in the future regarding solar panels.
The panels have a finite use life before they need replacing, when you consider the numbers of them there is only one place equipped to deal with them and extract the chemicals and residues and deal with the waste.
Did anyone else see the article ?

    @DavecUK Perhaps you can explain why Nuclear makes sense but tidal barrage doesn’t, given the economics are so similar?

    Or in our country, different. Hinkley C base strike price now comes out to around $134/KWh and around 4 cents/KWh thereafter. Sihwa cost 117/KWh and around $0.02 thereafter.

    Now obviously energy security requires a comprehensive strategy (and Nuclear should be included), but discounting cheap short term sources like wind, and other stable long term options like tidal barrage is pointless.

    Every EV has a big battery, and many homes are already equipped. They don’t need batteries etc. And Nuclear balancing is perfectly viable without homes having battery.

    Ps. You can use pumped storage or other options for storing nuclear power. No need to ‘run it slow’ - In fact, it’d possibly horrify you to know just how many big batteries are used at those plants.

    Elcarajillo Yea it’s been a bit of a concern for a while. If I recall correctly it could only be recycled to low grade glass too. The current problem with solar is the lifespan and reuseability.

    DavecUK The only arguments I have ever seen for no power generation mix and that all power should come from nuclear is from you! The idea of baseload generation coming from large power plants is already outdated - future production will be distributed as we are already starting to see - whether that is onsite solar, wind farm or SMR.

    Tidal has historically been very expensive but that shouldn’t be a surprise as it it is relatively new and still small scale. But costs are already falling - by over 40% in the last five years and are now comparable with nuclear. Of course nuclear still costs between 2 and 4 times more than onshore wind and solar - so that’s nothing to shout about but there is nothing to suggest that tidal costs won’t continue to reduce as scale and efficiencies continue to develop.

    eWaste is an issue and will need careful handling - much the same as waste from nuclear. Some might see eWaste from renewables as less problematic that spent nuclear fuel.

      Gagaryn Not an expert in the waste/recycling field by any stretch, but there’s certainly some concern, mostly with solar. With regards to tidal you have a few completely different types of tech there. Rance is pretty old and a good example of cheap stable power generation, whilst South Korea have taken it to a new level. Canada on the other hand decided it wasn’t hugely cost effective but I think are heavily researching tidal stream. Problem with barrage is similar to nuclear, huge upfront costs and a need for ecological planning.

      Load balancing/management is becoming easier in most places in the world, though the UK certainly has some unique ‘challenges.’

      Gagaryn The only arguments I have ever seen for no power generation mix and that all power should come from nuclear is from you! The idea of baseload generation coming from large power plants is already outdated - future production will be distributed as we are already starting to see - whether that is onsite solar, wind farm or SMR.

      Tidal has historically been very expensive but that shouldn’t be a surprise as it it is relatively new and still small scale. But costs are already falling - by over 40% in the last five years and are now comparable with nuclear.

      I have never made an argument for no generation mix?

      I do however feel that windfarms and solar are not ideal goals to pursue and work out much more expensive than people realise. Much of that cost is hidden and will come over the lifetime of the systems, which are relatively ineffective.

      I wouldn’t be opposed to a mix of some Tidal and mainly Nuclear. The problem with Tidal:

      • It’s still intermittent
      • Varies in it’s capacity daily
      • damages the environment
      • limited number of suitable and cost effective sites in the UK
      • Long build cost

      Energy production needs to be very reliable, not intermittent. I also believe we need to stop burning fossil fuels as a world objective, not because of climate change, but because it is literally liquid gold. Hugely wasteful to use it up creating energy, when it is so valuable for other things. Sadly, the world will continue to use oil and gas until there is none left. Nothing on earth can stop this….fortunately the amount of fossil fuels is finite and I firmly believe the world will not end due to climate reasons if we burn it all up….Once it’s gone of course…the world might end for reasons completely unrelated to climate, as countries compete for ever diminishing resources.

      Nuclear is expensive in the UK, only because we have not invested national effort into doing it right and keep wanting to pay the French and Chinese to do what we should be doing.!, whilst lining the pockets of other worldwide billion dollar companies (oil, gas, renewable etc.). Meanwhile people wait for fusion thinking we will have it in 20 or so years, another cruel joke, which the scientists perpetrate, because it’s good for business and jobs (their jobs). Progress reports and information from that “industry” are deliberately deceptive.

      P.S. The problem with intermittency is we then need power that comes on stream rapidly (fossil fuels). If we have just bypassed a Nuclear power stations steam turbines, then what’s the point. There are reactors proposed by the EU (who want to dictate this), having manoeuvrability, the ability to ramp up and down. This significantly increases their cost, reduces efficiency and is still selling us a crock. I read the scientific papers on these reactors and basically they are only 40% reducible in power until 20 or so % of the fuel is used up, then you have to run them at 100% (Xenon problem again)..

      Elcarajillo Yes I did see it, I think I first saw it a while ago, unless there is a different article on the same thing. The Windmill blades are not so recyclable either!

      20 days later

      Prices changed today,

      With the money saved I’m buying..well nothing

      Saved 5p a unit on electric

      Saved 2.7p on gas

      Standing charges the same

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          Cuprajake I moved to Octopus’ tracker last year.

          Ask Octopus if you can get onto their tracker tariff. Slightly cheaper gas per unit. Much cheaper electric per unit. Both standing charges are cheaper as well.

          This link has the daily prices.

          [https://mysmartenergy.uk/Tracker/London](https://)

            thats why i never went for it initally, smart meter

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              ours actually has smart but they are first gen, tied to british gas, id not want one fitting,

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                yeah, i just ment no one else can use it, so i just give radings

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