I know there’s been a bit of hype around it but I’d recommend trying the Mazzer Philos if you get the chance.

We’re still partial to the odd ‘traditional’ espresso with a decent body too and they really shine on the ‘200’ burrs in the Philos. It’s capable with lighter roasts also but not so much so that it favours clarity over body.

I’ve always thought those ‘endgame’ US made grinders are for the real light roast enthusiasts with meticulous puck prep and great tastebuds. Certainly not something I’d be tempted by even though I’m sure they’re brilliant.

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    HarveyMushman I’ve always thought those ‘endgame’ US made grinders are for the real light roast enthusiasts with meticulous puck prep and great tastebuds. Certainly not something I’d be tempted by even though I’m sure they’re brilliant.

    Denis has been active on H-B for over a decade (to my knowledge at least), I don’t recall the party faithful being in the light roast camp at all.

      dfk41 - Dfk… what you need is a beefed up upgraded “Niche Zero Plus”.

      Like a Niche Duo, but instead of big flat burrs… conicals instead. 👍

          MediumRoastSteam dfk41 - Dfk… what you need is a beefed up upgraded “Niche Zero Plus”.

          Like a Niche Duo, but instead of big flat burrs… conicals instead. 👍

          Like a Craig lyn HG1 prime for instance. Perfect.

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              dfk41

              Ok.

              The prime is very different.

              Not sure why he chose to still call it hg-1

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                  dfk41

                  No, David this is so much more 🥰

                  Its not just a hand grinder

                  This is a Craig Lyn hand grinder, lovingly created for the pleasure of connoisseurs such as those from the north east 🫣, where rusty old monstrosities are lovingly known as Angels!!

                  This is a real grinder for life 🫣☕

                  Ade Smith. ACS Evo Leva v2. Kafatek Flat max 2, ssw 2024. Mazzer Philos, Craig Lyn HG-1 prime., WW key mk1.

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                    dfk41 gnoring that and just going off the info above, what do folks think $2450 plus shipping and import costs will turn out at?

                    This is great grinder, you will be happy user.

                    But, If you can find MC4, this is the last model with Mazzer burrs, it will be bit closer to K10.

                    Also, it will be much cheaper.

                      dfk41 what do folks think $2450 plus shipping and import costs will turn out at?

                      I bought an MC6 last year. Shipping to London was $180. Customs, etc was £274.08.

                      I have no complaints about the grinder. I use it for medium and dark roasts. Light roasts are better with my Kafatek Flat (SLR burrs).

                        Isn’t someone selling a Weber Key on here?

                          dfk41 - O would be all over it if I were in the market for a flat burr grinder. But I already have a Niche Duo, 83mm flat which does a wonderful job with the added bonus of a very simple workflow. Pop beans in, turn it on, wait 30 seconds, turn off.

                          Good luck with the sale. It’s a bargain.

                            dfk41 in my humble opinion I don’t t think you need to pay more than 1K for a grinder, you will enter into the diminished returns territory. When I used to make espresso a few years ago I used the Compak K10 and also the E10, both were beast. I got the best espressos in my life. I also had the Mazzer Kony which uses the Niche 63mm conical and the results were fantastic. Don’t think I you will notice a difference from 68mm to 71mm and honestly just to avoid a bit of retention I wouldn’t pay around 2500€.

                                profesor_historia I Have a Niche Duo so would be moving from 63 to 71mm conical. But, like you, I just cannot see me really getting an awful lot out of spending 2 to 3 k on something. I would probably buy a K10 if I could find one at the right price for the condition, but most of them have been in a commercial setting and well used. The strange thing is, now that I am at a stage of life where I could buy a new Kafatek, I simply know it is not the right thing for me to do…..this is the wrong time of life to start having a conscience!

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                                  What’s the difference between the Key and the monolith aside from the monolith being smaller burs? I’d think the key would be better, no?

                                    dfk41

                                    I have the key and prime.

                                    Both have the same burrs except the key has the weber TiN coating treatment .

                                    My only slight niggle with the key is it needs a slight rdt spray to stop the static .

                                    Not quite one full press of the weber bottle does the trick, so next to no mist, but, i have this thing about not wanting to do any rdt!!

                                    Not required on the prime.

                                    Coffee from both is great and i like both these and the Philos.

                                    The key and prime have less mouth feel than the zero and they are very close but still different to the Philos. I have difficulty describing taste!!

                                    I dont have room for the prime and key, hence its for sale . Luckily im in no great rush!! Theres some weird pleasure using the prime!

                                    David, do you ever venture down to Derby or Nottingham….. im stuck in the middle if you wanted to call in.

                                    Ade Smith. ACS Evo Leva v2. Kafatek Flat max 2, ssw 2024. Mazzer Philos, Craig Lyn HG-1 prime., WW key mk1.

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