Yeah agree, the zerno was 2k us$ with all the burr options and case and everything so not wildly out of range of the mc5, plus the wait was longer for the Z but again I agree it’s not worth bringing up as a comparison
The Zerno has arrived 🙏
What I do not understand, is if is just another 64mm grinder using widely available burrs, what makes it stand out at the price point? I mean coffee is about taste, burrs are about taste. After that, it is aesthetics and type of motor etc etc. It is a bit like going to Harrods and paying £2.25 for a Mars Bar
drdre89 It certainly wins the looks competition!
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Nothing makes it stand out per say, its just pushed very well
Hoffman even has a vid lance was a big fan too from memory
My only worry is that it seems to be an ever changing product, and people get a different version every order, which is good and bad in my eyes, in that way i liken it to the decent were each version is the best for a few months
Looks nice, sounds under powered imo, and a little faffy
Personally dont like the way you buy either zerno or kafatec which seems to be a lottery, but also adds to the hype and the selective/exclusiveness of it.
But as i always say if you can afford it then go for it
Happy for those who want to go down the whole auger route but not for me,
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Cuprajake Hoffman even has a vid
He had some pretty scathing criticisms buried in his vid. The video sort of glosses over them and judging by the comments people took it as a positive review but those critiques he made are pretty bad in my opinion.
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The reason I bought the Kafatec was the burrs. The big Mazzer conicals are not in many grinders that single dose and tick all the needed boxes. Of course, then when I decided to make my mind up for once and all and started to research the grinder I realised the MC6 had switched out to their own in house designed exotically names Shuriken burrs. On paper their rationale sounds good but they have not convinced me yet that the flavour profile is suited to my taste buds. Perhaps using the Zero for so long, I just need a bit of time. As far as looks go it is industrial but does not float my boat one way or the other. So my earlier point was if you can buy the same burrs in multiple grinders, why choose the one that you did. The answer seems to be looks and belief in opinion pushed on you by others. But money and choice makes the world go round and remember, you do not have to justify your purchases to anyone except the mrs!
Dusk An interesting point and extremely rational……but is that the case? If you ask ten people to watch a video of a robbery, then ask what colour the van was they pulled up in, you might be surprised at the varying answers
Another reason I like the Philos. Yes it’s 64mm but had a (very good!) new burr designed specifically for it.
Did I mention I like the Philos? Wasn’t sure if I’d mentioned it at all yet. 😅
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HarveyMushman ill admit i only skim watched, after his duo vid i kinda lost a bit of respect for him..
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i prefer the look of the Philos. the Zerno has a certain Chinese look about it but its an astronomical price for that!!
looks are obviously subjective but there’s no pull for me.
the philos looks and feels like it will last a lifetime
mykm Conclusion in short form was the Zerno just isn’t in the same league, from build quality to coffee flavor
thats good to know.
would like the same unbiassed comments comparing to the Philos .
HarveyMushman Definitely looks a lot nicer in proportion than the Philos.
isnt it strange how we all see things differently :-)
to me it looks like “ whats the cheapest stand we can come up with to stick this pringle can on” - maybe a bit harsh!!
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I definitely think the Philos looks great, it’s just very large. But that exact sentiment could be applied to pretty much every Mazzer grinder.
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Not actually aiming this at you as i know you also have one, but, contrary to popular view, i dont think it looks out of proportions, or big
Ade Smith. ACS Evo Leva v2. Kafatek Flat max 2, ssw 2024. Mazzer Philos, Craig Lyn HG-1 prime., WW key mk1.
I do personally prefer the Zerno look over the Philos.
He says, showing it next to one of the biggest grinders/machines on the market 😂
No to be fair it’s about the same height as my LM. Doesn’t look out of proportion.
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you can see similarities in the philos/zerno but the massive motor on the mazzer is what makes it so large, its a trade off
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On my coffee bench the Philos would have stuck out like a saw thumb. Personally, not my style.
Am very happy with my Zerno :)
Love the look of the Zerno alongside my forthcoming Argos, form factor is a big issue for my lass 🤣
She hasn’t seen the Leva paired with my Mythos yet haha
Jason1wood form factor is a big issue for my lass
Her complaints about you are for discussion outside the forum 🤪🤪🤪🤭
Ade Smith. ACS Evo Leva v2. Kafatek Flat max 2, ssw 2024. Mazzer Philos, Craig Lyn HG-1 prime., WW key mk1.