Not sure regards the crem, mine did it from brand new.

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Most of the machines will come with 2 years warranty. A few might be a bit more for an extra cost. All our members look after the machine, don’t mind a bit of DIY if the seller doesn’t mind and end up having the machine for a long time.

10 years are a long time. We hope you do not get sucked into upgradeitis rabbit hole before you knew it. 😊

The technology on this side has evolved. It will as we see in consumer electronic products - TV, smart phones, computers. So. please don’t worry about it.

It is your machine and you must buy what you like. Choose well. Good luck.

BTW, not sure if you mentioned about your grinder and water.

Hi @hornbyben, @Cuprajake, @LMSC, @ronsil
Thanks for your responses.
@hornbyben brings up a good point about the fact that (almost) all Decent parts are available to buy and for users to replace themselves, which is superb WRT longevity.
I’m very keen on the geeky aspects, I have an Aillio Bullet roaster and love analysing my graphs, comparing tweaked recipes of the same beans, and I’m also a huge Android fan, been rooting my phones since Galaxy S2… so I absolutely love the idea of having so much to look at and experiment with.
I will have to wait at least 5 or 6 months before I can buy a Decent, but given the “aliveness” of the community, I’d rather hold on, spend a bit more and get the DE1 PRO… will look gorgeous next to my Bullet (even my wife will like the compact machine!)

Tx all. Mark

go for the decent then, while you can use a pc for the crem its very basic as in just changing a few numbers, nothing like the detail of the decent

i nearly got a decent but the noise would of crippled me

Giphy -

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Decent seems the obvious choice.

One machine I never see mentioned (probably because I don’t think there is a UK retailer) is the QuickMill Andreja Profiles. I had a play with one at a trade show once and it seemed very nice and QuickMill can certainly put a machine together but I can’t tell you much more.

David

Hi @BlackCatCoffee thanks, I had a look, similar control scope as Crem One and VBM Domobar (pressure profiles)… but yep, once I opened the door to Decent as a possibility, it is WAY, WAY, WAY more sophisticated and capable than all the others. I also like the unusual looks and small size - makes a big difference when having to factor in WIFE-RESPONSE… 😁

    markpalmos

    David from BlackCatCoffee is one of the friendliest retailers, who is respected and well known for providing unbiased recommendations keeping his commercial interests aside.

    David, we are looking forward to opening Costa Rica Las Palomas in a couple of weeks. Thx for sending it through. It’s in the post. It better be very good! 😊Cheers

        @markpalmos, if you don’t need to do loads of back to back milk drinks, and you don’t mind a bit of DIY then you could do the ito mod that I recently did on my Rancilio Silvia (see here if you’re interested: https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/d/256-poor-mans-decent-espresso-itoleva).

        This lets you take a single boiler and turn it into a fully functioning pressure profiling machine (although you can’t flow profile or adjust temperatures mid shot). You can pair with a skale 2 or Felicia arc to program a specific dose though.

        Total cost was £331.55 for the mod, plus £529 tor a brand new Silvia, so that’s £860.55 for a lot of the same features, and parts for the Silvia are easy to get, so it should have good longevity.

        @hornbyben thanks, that sounds very interesting but I’m going to wait 6 months or so until I can afford the Decent.

          I’ve got a 1.3 Pro Decent and a Vesuvius, Also an L1 and Evo Leva but they weren’t in the title so I’ll ignore those.

          From what you say the Decent will fit the bill exactly. They do release versions each year but there has been minimal changes re hardware. Fore example the latest version upgrade just changed the stand the tablet sits on. They also provide for earlier versions to upgrade at minimal cost.

          It can be simple to use if you set it up that way or you can change a shot live on the fly ala Bianca, but with a graph to show what you are doing. I find the most difficult thing, if you decide to go with every software change is keeping up with it all. I got a version that was stable and run with that and only look at updating software every 6 months or so. But, with stop at weight, limitless flow / pressure / temp flexibility you’ll go through a lot of coffee just playing. Will definitely be keeping mine.

          markpalmos the Decent is quite robust. Not as heavy as many machines but doesn’t mean it won’t last as long. Happy to ànswer any questions of course. Last year I tried a BDB, Synchronika, Decent, La Pavoni Pro, Izzo Valexia and a Streitman and happy to report on comparisons if you have specific questions.