Can anyone with this machine tell me what their is like as I think I’m loosing it.

I am under impression the steam boiler pressure drops lower and recovers much slower during steaming than it used to. I had it set at 125c and recently found I had to increase to 127c which is still not whatnot should be.

I flush and wait for it to come back to 127c before starting to steam. Only 160ml milk in the pitcher.
It falls to 122c before you notice it starting to recover although you can hear the boiler kick in around 125c.

I hope it’s just my mind playing games but I am convinced it wasn’t like that.

    prezes Check your advanced settings because it sounds as if the steamboiler is behaving more like a PID control than on/off control. You need to set the PID parameters for the steamboiler to behave like an/off controller.

      prezes if that’s settings for the steam boiler, change them to kP =20, kI=0 and kD= 0

      is there an associated B setting for the steam boiler?

        prezes make the same changes I suggested. With those setting it’s acting like a PID, which you don’t want and possibly dropping the power by up to 20%

          So it definitely acts differently. I’ve got it set at 126c yet it goes up to 128c and then slowly comes back to 126c. When steaming it still falls but now not lower than 123c

            14 days later

            Looking as this issue that Prezes was experiencing, it seemed a bit familiar, as I’ve noticed my steam pressure and temp not being able to sustain itself in a way that I remember. My steam boiler PID settings were exactly what his was (as they are the default from the factory according to the manual). I made the changes that Dave suggested and it definitely helped retain the temp and pressure throughout the steaming of milk. Thanks Dave!!!

            Given that it helped, it does make me curious why the default settings were letting the PID control it via its algorithm vs just a binary on/off.

            Pete
            ACS Vesuvius, Evo Leva, Minima, Cafelot Robot
            Qty 2, Femobook A68, Niche Zero
            Arc800 RTD Roaster

              sketchy I second that as was meant to ask the same thing. What makes me wonder as well is why does this develop with time and is not an issues that is there on new machine with the original settings.

                sketchy

                That’s good to know

                If by any chance you have time please @DavecUK it would be good to get your thoughts on the “best” settings

                Below are what was set on my V1 and V2 Evo

                No actual current issues I’m aware of, just curious 😻

                Ade Smith. ACS Evo Leva v2. Kafatek Flat max 2, ssw 2024. Mazzer Philos, Craig Lyn HG-1 prime., WW key mk1.

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                prezes Doing a bit more investigation on this, against what the default settings were (especially P & D), I’m suspecting the default PID settings paired with the capabilities of the boiler (size vs the mount it is heating) are to help prevent a more severe oscillation that may occur with the new settings. But I’m thrilled with being able to maintain steam boiler pressure better.

                Pete
                ACS Vesuvius, Evo Leva, Minima, Cafelot Robot
                Qty 2, Femobook A68, Niche Zero
                Arc800 RTD Roaster

                  sketchy I really thought the vacuum breaker already exited into the drip tray. Do you wanna check and make sure you haven’t got it wrong and trace the pipes.

                    DavecUK Most certainly. Let me check when I have a chance. Thanks Dave.

                    Pete
                    ACS Vesuvius, Evo Leva, Minima, Cafelot Robot
                    Qty 2, Femobook A68, Niche Zero
                    Arc800 RTD Roaster

                      sketchy

                      It definitely does.

                      I’ve seen someone else say the same as you as it partly follows the same tube internally that’s used to fill the tank if you plumb it in….. comes from the solenoid. Easy too go cross eyed and follow the wrong pipe!!

                      Ade Smith. ACS Evo Leva v2. Kafatek Flat max 2, ssw 2024. Mazzer Philos, Craig Lyn HG-1 prime., WW key mk1.

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                      a month later

                      I’ve noticed my Vesuvius wastes a lot of water to the drip tray for the first 20 seconds or so of each shot. Not like a dribble but a pretty big flow. I’m currently using the stock profile 1, which shoots up to 11 bar, not sure but don’t ‘think’ it wasted this much water before I’ll try get a video next shot, but, does this sound right?

                      Edit: Here’s a video. Funny didn’t seem to waste as much this time but maybe someone can advise if even this amount is normal? I’m also noticing a lot more water on top of the puck but that may be bean related

                        I’d assume 11 bars is opening the over pressure and venting in to the tray as it should.

                        To confirm, use a profile at 8 bars and see how it goes

                        Ramp up to 8.5, 9, 9.5 etc until the bypass opens and consider resetting the over pressure valve if you require a shot at 11 bars.

                        11 bars is on the high side of "normal’ for the Vesuvius so adjustment may be the order if the day to settle it down.

                        A better video showing where the water is flowing from clearer would help 😜🫣🙃

                        Ade Smith. ACS Evo Leva v2. Kafatek Flat max 2, ssw 2024. Mazzer Philos, Craig Lyn HG-1 prime., WW key mk1.

                        About Me

                          JahLaza Vesuvius wastes a lot of water to the drip tray for the first 20 seconds or so of each shot. Not like a dribble but a pretty big flow. I’m currently using the stock profile 1, which shoots up to 11 bar, not sure but don’t ‘think’ it wasted this much water before I’ll try get a video next shot, but, does this sound right?

                          I believe the water is coming from the vent valve not the expansion valve, at least that’s what it looked like to me on the video. A few questions, so I can help you.

                          • How old is it, from new.
                          • Sounds like it didn’t always do it, when did it start (or you first notice it
                          • The vent valves usually open at 11.5 to 12.5 bar as that’s when the spring pressure is finally overcome
                          • When did you last backflush it and do you backflush it properly.