I like it. I do use it from time to time. But what I do is to simple cut a batch of aeropress papers to size.
Paper filter at the bottom of your portafilter?
Top or bottom of the puck?
Not sure why I got that immediately pour distribution and sourness, when placing the cut Aeropress paper at the top of the puck?
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Hoffman thinks that paper on the bottom of the basket boosts flavor. I am inclined to agree. I have only recently been able to acquire 55mm paper filters that fit snugly in the bottom of a 58mm basket. Cutting them myself was too much faffing around.
I also use a stainless disk (not mesh) on top to keep the shower head cleaner.
All in all it makes for a nice clean basket due to a drier puck and a cleaner shower head post-pour.
And because the puck stays in one piece I can also inspect the underside of the puck for color variation to confirm how even the pour was.
thusband Maybe I’ll pick up some of those Cafelat paper filters and give it a try
I understand that the Cafelat papers are considerably smaller than the 58.5 mm size of my VST basket. I saw another brand through google search, but they wanted $35US for 200 papers including a nice holder. Plus shipping. So I passed. I also saw reference to some kind of a cutter ….
Still wondering why I got that terrible distribution and awful sour taste from paper on the top of the basket. Will try out my Normcore screen today or tomorrow.
thusband these were the ones I liked the best https://www.shadesofcoffee.co.uk/barista-tools/stainless-steel-puck-screen-or-contact-screen-585mm
JHCCoffee Top or bottom of the puck?
Bottom. At the top it will do nothing more than keeping your shower screen very clean.
I guess when putting a paper disc at the bottom I’ll have to be careful when using my WDT tool.
Tried paper a few times, in the end too much messing about for me,
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Yeah I like the idea of it as in it will keep excess fines out
But when ims e&b super fine baskets exist the paper kinda becomes irrelevant
It’s only for the fact they don’t make a 54mm version that I still don’t use one, if I moved back to 58mm I’d be back using one tomorrow
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A theory for why paper filters below the puck are good is that they aid even flow and reduce channels, allowing you to grind finer and in general, boost overall extraction. As with other elements of espresso prep it’s down to how much of a problem you had before and if you can be bothered with the extra steps.
It’s not too much of an inconvenience for me and I find along with a top shower screen it aids cleanup by compressing the puck, but I understand it’s not for everyone especially those who enjoy darker roasts where it’s less effort to get the most out of them. For those interested, make sure the paper filter is not larger than the bottom of the basket and crawling up the sides as I’ve seen some YouTubers do. For ideal evenness it needs to cover the holes of the basket and not substantially more and it needs to be wet, but I’d suspect a roughly fitting dry paper filter would still outperform none in terms of squeezing the most extraction out.
What I found interesting about the new Wafo baskets is that from their testing, they said their basket boosted comparable performance to other precision baskets with a bottom filter. So they’re really offering convenience rather than an improvement on the combo.
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I’ve tried the Normcore metal screen on top and wetted/paper towel dried paper on bottom combo four times now. On each occasion the shots ran considerably (about 10 seconds) faster than without the screen/filter combo. And the shots tasted thinner (less body), with less strength, less flavour, less complexity and less length. Overall, a significant decline in taste.
I’ve watched a couple of review videos. One says that water creeps in at the edge of the paper and then along the underside of the paper, so you have to grind finer, which is a good thing???? That’s nuts, as why would I want water not flowing through the puck? If that is even happening. From a pundit whose YouTube name begins with Sprot…
Another pundit doses a gram lower (17g) vs 18g normally, I presume to recover the headroom lost by the screen.
I am surprised that the shots run faster. Any ideas why? I can/will try grinding finer.
The pucks look great, but the coffee tastes like sh…
I am pouring my usual City Roast decaf blend of Hawaiian Kona and Espresso.
FadedFrontiers they add resistance and aid even flow, allowing you to grind Finer.
Thanks for the link, which I will carefully read.
I am confused by the statement that it increases resistance, which allows you to grind finer. If the paper increases resistance, then it slows the flow. If you wish to maintain the same shot time, you must grind coarser, right? Am I missing something here?
Instead, I suppose that (theoretically) the increased resistance is slowing the flow and thereby increasing the contact time with the grinds, leading to greater extraction. Except that I am experiencing faster flows and significant declines in taste.
JHCCoffee On each occasion the shots ran considerably (about 10 seconds) faster than without the screen/filter combo. And the shots tasted thinner (less body), with less strength, less flavour, less complexity and less length. Overall, a significant decline in taste.
FYI, these were 4 sets of paired shots. Same everything except the screen and paper. One shot with, one without.
Apologies, the grinding finer allows more resistance not the paper screen in itself. I’ll edit my post as that was confusingly worded.
In short your faster shot time is to do with basket geometry where the holes don’t all go out to the edge, so water at the edges need to move down then horizontally to get out. Water travels through wet paper more easily so it’s a more effective exit route and thus quicker than without paper filter at the bottom.
I’d recommend this video where the author explains it far better than I can:
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FadedFrontiers Apologies, the grinding finer allows more resistance not the paper screen in itself. I’ll edit my post as that was confusingly worded.
No worries at all; thanks for the post.
FadedFrontiers In short your faster shot time is to do with basket geometry where the holes don’t all go out to the edge, so water at the edges need to move down then horizontally to get out. Water travels through wet paper more easily so it’s a more effective exit route and thus quicker than without paper filter at the bottom.
If this is the case, then some water is apparently travelling down the sides of the basket (as distinct from through the puck), due to the increased resistance of the paper. This water then travels either through the wet paper, or along the base of the paper, and then out. If this is true, then the brew output is being diluted by water, which is why my espresso tastes weaker. Grinding finer would then be a “kludge fix” to solve a problem caused by the paper. We might then end up with grounds that are ground too fine, to correct a problem that we shouldn’t have had in the first place.
Taste is the ultimate arbiter. So I will try grinding finer.
However I grow weary of hopping on the bandwagon of the latest greatest thing promoted by coffee pundits. YouTube seems to have accelerated this trend.