dfk41 hat the whole methodology seems to be about saving space, that that would also be a big problem. I am not sure what folks think a rotary pump actually beings to the table? It is quieter, after that, I am struggling

Good points David and I suspect that some of it is “grass is greener”.

In regard to the pump, a big part of the design is centered around being able to alter the temperature almost instantly during the pour which is pretty darned clever. I’m not sure if there are any other machines that do that but someone may be able to enlighten me on that score. (And I’m not saying it’s necessary to have that feature, more that it’s a pretty neat trick and clearly valued by some.)

The noise of the Decent pump seems to annoy some but I really don’t know why. It’s relatively quiet after the noise of any electric grinder that I’ve used. Would I prefer it to be silent? Sure, but to my ears at least it’s not audibly invasive at all.

    JammyDodger The only obvious variable I can see is the person operating it, which really boils down to consistency of puck prep.

    But I suspect Lance, who highlighted the issue, is quite adpet at puck prep. He says he doesn’t have the same issue with the Linea (I think it was). So it’s left me wondering if the variable is in the actual Decent machines, be that a different voltage or other variable.

    On the subject of voltage, John Buckman posted in Diaspora that when Lance moved from USA to Europe, John advised him to simply use a voltage adaptor but later realised that this could cause problems with lower and variable water pressure.

    John then offered to ship Lance a new model because he felt bad about giving Lance incorrect advise. So Lance sent his machine back to Decent and that’s why the machine in Lance’s video is the brand new model.

    I’m unclear on the timing of all this so I’m open to being corrected but I think that Lance’s reference to his frustrations of pouring shots of different duration pertain to his use of a 110v machine being used with a convertor in a 220v Europe.

    I’ll see if I can confirm that by posting in Diaspora.

      Or it’s just Lance being Lance, recently he’s ripped everything apart from the zerno grinder.

      Pushed that as hard as the time more and the pre sale sold out in just 5mins 250 grinders. There already on the V2 version of the grinder whilst not fully having sent out the version 1 from march payments.

      I’ve never know such fomo around coffee gear ATM,

      Re the decent, I’m not sure it’s a machine that you would use for making 15 shots back to back. I look at it more as an experimental machine, while I’ve heard it be called a jack of all trades from previous owners stating their next machine was better, but that’s generally true with most who say what they have is the best so

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        Cuprajake I think the day of the influencer is starting to wane. Strip it away, and you have a QVC salesman appearing on camera, trying ever so hard to make you buy the latest thing. I remember when Hedrick first started out and did not have much of a following. He promoted Sage products as that seemed to be the only sponsor available to him. He even had one named after him. Where are Sage now in the Hedrick portfolio?

        I would question the technical ability of most influencers. They seem hell bent on persuading folks to part with their hard earned on what are often products still under development and no where near the finished article. If I know one thing only in life, I would not buy a half finished product from a QVC salesman. I just wish more people would see the bigger picture

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            Decent could use the small FOT DC pump, although even then they would be space constrained for the transformer required. There would be a second problem as well, I believe (could be wrong) they use 2 vibe pumps, one for the brew thermoblock and one for the steam one? If you used a single rotary, you couldn’t steam and brew at the same time…it would be problematic.

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              DavecUK I believe (could be wrong) they use 2 vibe pumps, one for the brew thermoblock and one for the steam one

              My understanding Dave is they use two vibe pumps in order to dynamically mix hot and cold water to the specific temperature required for the profile. This allows accurate temperature profiling as the vibe pumps can pump very small increments of water if needed, and allows it to compensate for cooler coffee/ambient temp etc. They have a separate heater for brew and steam functions.

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                  Amazing what can be done with a Decent. First it was espresso (of course), then it was the tea portailter and now a pour over basket compliments of the extraordinay duo of Scott Rao and Jonathan Gagnes. Assuming that it works well (I harbour a wee bit of doubt depite those illustrious names), the benefits of this machine just continue to get better and better. I have ordered the basket, I’ll have a play and report back.

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                    DavecUK that’s right. A lot of people get really hung up on this issue, which I find weird! If I’m manually profiling or reviewing the graphs I don’t don’t have enough hands or brain space to steam at the same time. I’ve heard similar from Bianca users who profile regularly, there’s too much going on! In a commercial setting, this would be a big downside. The thing is you’d have two DE1s for commercial use anyway as you’d want two groups, which allows concomitant steaming and brewing.

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                      tompoland Yes I get your point. People shouldn’t get too hung up on the idea of a rotary pump anyway. Check the Diaspora for ‘Bengle’ John has already posted pictures of the new machine.

                          Redla John has already posted pictures of the new machine.

                          It’s like the Nurri machine and the DE1 had a child. 😉

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                            the Bengle is not a new machine, it was a new design concept that’s since been dropped (around two years ago from memory, which is rarely a good idea in my case) . A possible aesthetic upgrade if you will.

                            That’s the last I heard of it but someone may have news of its pending resurrection?

                                tompoland It’s not been dropped, beta testing should take place this year according to Johns update in April.

                                    tompoland I said I’d provide an update on Lance’s variable pour times with his Decent.

                                    Reading more craefully through the relevant thread in Diaspora, I think my theory about Lance’s discrepancies with pour times being attributed to running a 110v machine in Europe with a voltage converter is at best without foundation.

                                    I’ve run out of ideas for explaining his experience but I note there was not even one “me too” post in the thread which surprised me a bit given that as @JammyDodger mentioned, thoroughness of puck prep is a significant variable on its own.

                                    Must be annoying for Lance.

                                      Redla thanks for that update. Do you know what’s new about it other than the exterior design?

                                      Found this which is probably what I vaguely recalled:

                                          tompoland answering my own question and thanks @Redla for bringing me up to date.

                                          As best I can tell it looks like mostly the same internals but a very different exterior (white metal and timber) and featuring an integrated scale, a cup warmer, 2 minute warm up time (not for the 110v version), lighting for the espresso cup area and a Samsung A7 tablet. All welcome improvements but nothing earth shattering enough to motivate me to upgrade.

                                          Maybe if it looked like this?

                                            From reading he wants to go commercial and do all the services etc. Not sure if true or not

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                                            The Bengle wil be safety certified for commercial use. The other models are not.

                                            dfk41 The whole influencer thing is a joke to begin with. Honestly who cares what others find works for them when every setup will vary in a different environment, various coffees being used, etc… If the social media garbage didn’t pay out in some way most of the videos would never exist as that’s the primary reason for it regardless of what some wanna claim.

                                            One in particular was a product pimp for Breville, which is junk… as well as Baratza at one point, more junk… as well as Onxy Coffee which is over priced/hyped crap.

                                              tompoland Extraordinary duo, bwahaha… Seems Gagne might be trying to incorporate a bit much on the scientific end and IMBHO coffee (especially espresso) is the same as roasting in that it’s ⅓ skill, ⅓ art form and ⅓ science. Maybe he should stick with boring astrophysics as coffee is far more involved!

                                              Regarding Rao, never been impressed with his style of roasting or arrogance… to each their own obviously as I’ll never get caught up following the typical (usually short lived) fad.

                                              Regarding the Decent as the thread suggests, maybe one day they will actually get the thing maxed out and performing to the claimed/expected standards. Never used one and have no intention, but what I’ve read from plenty of users is it’s more of a jack of all trades, but clearly master of none.