As mentioned last week I’ve been making notes so see below.
Purposely didn’t adjust grind size if shots run too fast or too slow without trying both hot/cold starts first, unless it was way out.

Mainy used 600 rpm except few as highlighted, 8 sec 2 bar preinfusion followed by declining profile 9-8-7-6 bar for all shots. Normacore tamper, for double shots, to take one variable out. One spray of water.

Had two attempts at 400rpm.

No stalling to report.

List isn’t chronological as have been changing coffees daily/morning evening but kept notes against each particular coffee.

One thing I noticed, comparing to Niche, is with most coffees I could maintain the ground setting between 7.5g & 15g VST baskets whereas on df83v it requires a notch finer grind for 7.5g basket.

When adjusting grind size by more than two levels there’s obviously some grounds left as the first shot is always slightly out compared to the following.

A lot of trial and testing is required to see what difference does each change of rpm make and what impact on flow, taste etc it’s got. This is a task for @tompoland grinder lab!

I am happy how the grinder performs to this point with results being consistent enough.

Do you need variable rpm or is it just a bonus when you fancy to play with it and/or you know what you doing ? I think this is for every person to assess on their own .

Video below using cold start 400rpm.

Volcanic Java Kopi Bayukidu 15.5%FC/14.6% loss. roast date 22/2/24

Setting 6

  • cold start - 15.1g in - 15g out . 32.1g @ 44sec
  • hot start - 15.3g in - 15.3g out. 33.5g @ 41 sec
  • 800rpm - cold start - 15.2g in - 15.1g out. 34.8g @ 31 sec
  • 800rpm - hot start - 15.5g in - 15.5g out. 36.5 @ 33 sec
  • cold start - 7.7g in - 7.8g out. 16.7g @ 32sec
  • Hot start - 7.7g in - 7.9g out. 17.1g @ 36 sec
  • cold start - 7.5g in - 7.6g out. 17.1g @ 32 sec
  • Hot start - 7.6g in - 7.6g out. 17.4g @ 33 sec
  • 800rpm - Cold start - 7.7g in - 7.7g out. 16.3g @ 28 sec
  • 800rpm - hot start - 7.6g in - 7.6g out. 16.7g @ 27 sec

Setting 7

  • cold start - 15.1g in - 15g out. 34.2g @ 30 sec
  • Hot start - 15.4g in - 15.3g out. 34.8 @ 33 sec

Kenya Samburu estate AA - 12.4%FC/15.2% loss. Roast date 20/2/24

Setting 9

  • cold start - 7.6g in - 7.7g out. 16.5g @ 24sec
  • hot start - 7.6g in - 7.5g out. 16.3g @ 25 sec

Setting 8

  • cold start - 15.1g in - 15.2g out. 39.5g @ 38 sec

Iron & fire Colombian decaf roast date 12/2/24

Setting 8
Cold start - 7.7g in - 7.8g out. 16.4g @ 23 sec
Hot start - 7.6g in - 7.7g out. 15.6g @ 28 sec

El Salvador Finca Tapantugusto rfa- 12.8% FC/ 16.7% loss. Roast date 26/2/24

Setting 6

  • cold start - 15.2g in - 15.2g out. 33.9g @ 60 sec
    Setting 8
  • cold start - 15.4g in - 15.3g out. 33.7g @ 40 sec
  • Hot start - 15.3g in - 15.2g out. 33.4g @ 34 sec
  • Cold start - 15.3g in - 15.2g out. 33g @ 35 sec
  • Hot start - 15.2g in - 15.1g out. 33.6g @ 32 sec
  • Cold start - 15.1g in - 15.1g out. 33.5g @ 34 sec
  • Hot start - 15.2g in - 15.3g out. 32.8g @ 30 sec
  • 400rpm - cold start - 15.2g in - 15.2g out. 35g @ 28 sec
  • 400 rpm - hot start - 15.2g in - 15.2g out. 32.2g @ 27 sec
  • Cold start - 7.6g in - 7.5g out. 17.2g @ 28 sec
  • Hot start - 7.7g in - 7.7g out. 17.4g @ 27 sec

Colombia Superemo el botan - 13.8%fc/15.3% loss. Roast date 29/2/24

Setting 8

  • Cold start - 15.3g in - 15.3g out. 40g @ 26 sec
    Setting 6
  • cold start - 7.6g in - 7.7g out. 16.8g @ 32 sec
  • Hot start - 7.7g in - 7.8g out. 17.4g @ 29 sec

    prezes A lot of trial and testing is required to see what difference does each change of rpm make and what impact on flow, taste etc it’s got. This is a task for @tompoland grinder lab!

    It’s on my list of comparisions for sure.

    I also want to blind taste compare 64mm verus 83mm burrs, starting with SSP Espresso (HU)

    (Just received an email to say that my DF83V (and DF54) are being shipped this week.)

    Great post thanks, super interesting.

    prezes that’s one hell of a tin foil shim…

    Decent De1pro v1.45 - Niche Duo - Niche Zero - Decent is the best machine ever made -

      So Niche has been back since Saturday. In my opinion the shots are less fruity and offer less clarity but are very well rounded.

      I’d love to be able to keep both as I am impressed with df83v and had no issues with it but as can’t do that and original intention was to play about with it I will be selling it on.

        prezes So Niche has been back since Saturday. In my opinion the shots are less fruity and offer less clarity but are very well rounded.

        Niche Zero or Duo?

          prezes easy fix: pop the DF burrs in the Duo. They are relatively inexpensive compared to SSP.

          (Maybe wait until it’s out of warranty)

          8 days later

          How are owners finding the adjustability? Early days yet, but after 3kg of seasoning, I’m finding that a one digit change in the dial results in quite a big change in the flow rate. Unlike the DF64V and DF64 Gen 2 or the Duo. It either needs more seasoning or the thread pitch is not fine enough.

            DavecUK good point thanks. I normally check first thing but can’t recall doing that with this one. I’ll report back.

            Yep… now where is my box of shims…

            Still a bit wonky? What’s everyone think?

            (Suspect it’s a matter of ‘close but no cigar’.)

            Latest. The lighting makes it quite hard to see in a photo but in looking at it physically it seems pretty even.

            @prezes so sorry I’ve been posting on the wrong thread. @admin @DavecUK can you my delete my posts please?

            5 days later

            Still not happy with the jumps I get in flow rate from a one digital change on the dial. Having carefully aligned it I’m going to run another 6kg of supermarket beans through it over Easter. My guess is that will settle it down.