Here we go! * Out of box burrs give traditional style and not modern style espresso * Require Mazzer or SSP burrs set * Not leap and bounds better than DF64 * Requires some alignment https://youtu.be/iGJ5mY5LiHI

Can't stand that bloke. Pure paid review and my god those hands ![Giphy - season 1 workout GIF by Fox TV](https://media3.giphy.com/media/ieP5jI3S06bps6yOYu/giphy.gif?cid=bb77869fwlymqdlu5aqzthkya6mhrirx9c3ntbwr9e51uoy5&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)

Apparently his day job is a preacher in some branch of Christianity. This does help understand his character a bit. You know, plus he's Canadian.

I’m the video he says he gave up his day job and that channel is his main bread winner now. I watched it… I’m not convinced of the product tbh.

@"MediumRoastSteam"#p27944 oh wow, bold move. It has potential to be better built than the DF64 but that's a pretty low bar.

Perhaps his sweatshirt says it all 🙂

I could not watch it.....why do Youtubers think you have to start with a catchphrase from a Nineties beer commercial still (even though he did not, but his style makes me want to puke!)

Another one! https://youtu.be/u27g9Xw5TRE

@"dfk41"#p28502 It does look as if that thing needs a miracle, indeed. 😁

DF83 - first impressions

LMSC

MediumRoastSteam Yes! I know…. 😊

dfk41

MediumRoastSteam Thats a lot of money in my opinion!

MediumRoastSteam

dfk41 - I wholeheartedly agree! 😉😃👍

prezes

Well I just confess I took a plunge when noticed it last night …

I had the df64 against the niche and decided to keep the niche as the looks, workflow and lack of bellows was a clear win for me.

Tried a major a while ago and really enjoyed it but it was too large for my designated area therefore decided to give this a go! Considering getting mazzer burrs to replace straight away .

MediumRoastSteam

prezes - ok. A few questions… 😉

The df83 has bellows too…. Won’t that annoy you, given the workflows between the 83 and 64 are essentially the same?

How was the taste in the cup between the df64 and the niche? I take you also preferred the Niche?

prezes

MediumRoastSteam yes it does have the bellows and it might get on my nerves. I remember having to blow and blow the df64 to get grounds out.

To be fair I am just curious and fancy trying it out. If I won’t like will have to sell it.

My taste buds are not refined enough to pick up all the minor differences but tried quite a few cups with both grinders and both my partner and I agreed Niche were more to our liking.

Will most likely still be the case this time so will appreciate the Niche even more

tompoland

prezes To be fair I am just curious and fancy trying it out. If I won’t like will have to sell it.

A kindred spirit. Nice to know I’m not the only crazy one.

(Or maybe we are the only sane ones? ☺️)

tompoland

For an 83mm flat single doser, it’s a pretty sharp price, assuming it’s a quality build and the espresso tastes the way you want from a big burr flat. By way of comparison, the EG-1 with 80mm flats will set you back more than 4x that.

Sold out pretty much immediately at Alternative Brewing here is Australia.

whinmoor85

The Coffee Chronicler gave it a good review (although he didn’t pay for it).

Main criticism was it may not be worth the upgrade from the DF64 considering the lack of burrs available.

dfk41

I am probably late to the table as usual with this but which 83mm burr set are they using? Is it an in house one?

prezes

dfk41 I’m sure it comes with Italmill burrs hence wondering if I should swap for mazzer set to really find out what’s worth

tompoland

prezes if they are Italmill then the Mazzers would be a big upgrade.

Cuprajake

Mazzer make good burrs.

dutchy101

I swapped out the Italmill burrs for Mazzers on the DF64 and it has been a huge improvement

Cuprajake

I changed the burrs in my major to SSP. .

Would I do it on a grinder like this prob not as it would make it over a grand.

I hate bellow, that’s why I got rid of my wong doserless kit.

I now use a brush, so I grind, brush purge. It’s a bit of a faff. Esp when it’s next to my niche which is a case of grind and you’re done. 🤷

LMSC

Cuprajake It’s a bit of a faff.

It’s a small price to pay - major and SSP HU 83 mm flat - for £550+.

We are looking at adding about £400 for the SSP 83 mm including an assumed postage of $50, 1.18 currency rate and 25% VAT and tax on top of the base price!

MediumRoastSteam

LMSC 25% VAT and tax on top

In terms of import taxes, given the burrs are made in the EU, should they charge any other import duties other than VAT at 20% for the UK?

I haven’t checked or imported anything from the EU since he UK left the single market, so I’m curious to know how rules are being applied.

LMSC

MediumRoastSteam n terms of import taxes, given the burrs are made in the EU, should they charge any other import duties other than VAT at 20% for the UK?

I haven’t checked or imported anything from the EU since he UK left the single market, so I’m curious to know how rules are being applied.

Very messy area!

If the seller is VAT registered, he/she must remove the VAT and declare that on the invoice. The VAT is then chargeable at our port of entry.
If not VAT registered, the VAT is / may be applicable at our customs beyond a limit.
If the seller doesn’t remove the VAT, we shouldn’t be paying the VAT. But, there may have been instances of the VAT notice. Jake did get a VAT notice. I don’t know if he also paid the same at the origin of supply

There is also a complex rules of origin complicating the matter.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/check-your-goods-meet-the-rules-of-origin

The import duty isn’t a lot. I think it will be about 3% - 5%

LMSC

MediumRoastSteam

Here is the relevant thread.

https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/d/935-strietman-ct2-vatimport-duties-to-uk

MediumRoastSteam

LMSC - thanks. But my point was whether there should be any import duty for something which is manufactured in the EU, I.e.: SSP burrs. I understand VAT is chargeable.

Edit: thanks for the link to thread. So no import duty, only VAT plus some shipment flat fee.

LMSC

MediumRoastSteam So no import duty

Jake’s invoice showed a duty tax of £11, which is 5.74% of the notional £191.53.

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