Here we go! Out of box burrs give traditional style and not modern style espresso Require Mazzer or SSP burrs set Not leap and bounds better than DF64 Requires some alignment

Can’t stand that bloke. Pure paid review and my god those hands

Apparently his day job is a preacher in some branch of Christianity. This does help understand his character a bit. You know, plus he’s Canadian.

I’m the video he says he gave up his day job and that channel is his main bread winner now. I watched it… I’m not convinced of the product tbh.

MediumRoastSteam oh wow, bold move. It has potential to be better built than the DF64 but that’s a pretty low bar.

Perhaps his sweatshirt says it all 🙂

I could not watch it…..why do Youtubers think you have to start with a catchphrase from a Nineties beer commercial still (even though he did not, but his style makes me want to puke!)

dfk41 It does look as if that thing needs a miracle, indeed. 😁

DF83 - first impressions

CoyoteOldMan

LMSC There shouldn’t be duty. DHL charges £11 as customs fees, but it’s their admin cost.

MediumRoastSteam

LMSC - That’s not import duty, as that’s set to 0% clearly in the invoice. That’s most likely currier admin fee and nothing to do with HMRC.

Key is in the labelling: Customs Charge (yellow box) and Extra Charges (red box)

From the thread:

wilburpan

I just received a DF83 at the beginning of the weekend. This is an upgrade to my Baratza Virtuoso+. The primary thing I was looking for was a stepless grinder, as the Virtuoso+ is stepped, and I didn’t feel that I had as fine control over the grind as I needed.

There’s an option for ordering the DF83 with SSP high uniformity burrs, but the delivery time was going to be very long. The DF83 would have been shipped to the distributor (I’m in the US), and they would install the SSP burrs once they received them, and then it would be shipped to me. Instead, I asked them to ship me the stock grinder, and my plan was to install the SSP burrs myself once they arrived. At this point, the results are good enough that I’ve canceled the SSP burr order until I have more experience with the stock burrs.

So far, I like it a lot. It only took a few attempts before I was making espresso that is really close to what I want. Still need to get more experience with it, but I’m quite happy so far.

BTW, a common criticism of the DF83 is that the power cord comes out the side, not the back. The reason for this is that there’s a large capacitor at the back of the base that’s in the way of the power cord coming out the back. If the power cord was to come out the back, the base would have to be quite a bit larger and/or taller than it is. Here’s how I’ve dealt with the power cord coming out the side.

MediumRoastSteam

wilburpan BTW, a common criticism of the DF83 is that the power cord comes out the side, not the back.

Looks like people don’t have much to criticise then. If that’s a common criticism… these people need to chill out. 🤣😉👍

I’m pretty sure my Eureka Mignon had the cable coming out of the side. Same as the La Pavoni.

Let us know how you get on, specially around exchange retention.

tompoland

wilburpan very interesting thanks.

FadedFrontiers

MediumRoastSteam I immediately switch off (😬) whenever the location of the power button, the cord or any other inconsequential things are used as criticisms of machines. Subjective things like design and workflow are a matter of personal preference and they affect everyone differently

wilburpan thanks for the write up of the machine, have you tried it for filter yet?

wilburpan

MediumRoastSteam Let us know how you get on, specially around exchange retention.

I’ll be more than happy to, once I get more espressos under my belt.

After this morning’s round of espresso making, I’m finding that I almost have the opposite problem from my Virtuoso+. With that grinder going just one step up or down caused quite a big change in the espresso. With the DF83, I’m at the point where I’m moving the dial just one mark at a time as I’m optimizing my espresso, and the changes are so small that I think I could stand to go two marks at a time. I guess I should be careful of what I wish for. 😆

Cuprajake

SSP Vs stock mazzer burr

The SSP are no better than the stock, they just alter the flavour profile.

I’ve been going back to back recently and I’ve found the SSP pronounce the fruit and the acidity.

dutchy101

Cuprajake SSP Vs stock mazzer burr

The SSP are no better than the stock, they just alter the flavour profile.

I think the DF83 comes with Italmil burrs (like the DF64 / Solo) as stock and not Mazzer burrs. I upgraded my burrs on the Solo to Mazzers and it was a great improvement. I’d recommend upgrading to Mazzer burrs on the DF83 if the stock burrs are Italmils

wilburpan

dutchy101 I think the DF83 comes with Italmil burrs (like the DF64 / Solo) as stock and not Mazzer burrs.

This is true — the DF83 comes with Italmil burrs. SSP HU burrs are an option at this point in time. There have been reports that other 83 mm burrs will fit.

wilburpan

FadedFrontiers wilburpan thanks for the write up of the machine, have you tried it for filter yet?

Sorry — I really only make espresso.

KyleT

Ugh I dislike his videos/reviews. I just never believe a word he says. I think the more interesting grinder is the DF64P to be honest

MediumRoastSteam

KyleT Ugh I dislike his videos/reviews

Whose videos? There are four in this thread! 👍😉

KyleT

MediumRoastSteam oh lol, sorry, I meant the Kyle Roswell video

MediumRoastSteam

wilburpan I’m finding that I almost have the opposite problem from my Virtuoso+

I think that’s expected. The Virtuoso+ is a toy grinder, mainly designed for pour overs, and tweaked for espresso and consequently (all purpose) with 40mm conical burrs. This is hand grinding territory really. I’d be scared the grinder would stop working if I look at it the other way. 🤣

The DF83 is a beast in comparison.

I’d be curious to know how much grinds it retains in the chute, and what’s the routine like in terms of using the bellows and how messy it gets in the end.

hthec

KyleT yeah I used to watch him as he touched on some lower end stuff. But after a while the reviews all sounded the same to me…

prezes

Very very very initial thoughts !

Solid and heavy, well finished on the outside without any imperfections. Quiet with and without beans .

Made sure it’s working and replaced burrs with mazzer t151a, checked alignment which looks fine without any shims (correct me if I’m wrong please). Turned manually with the burrs just touching.

First grind 10g in - 7.6g out at setting 10 (burrs touching at 0) with grounds fine as Turkish. Would choke the machine no doubt.

Second grind 10g in - 12g out at setting 20. Seems good starting point for espresso.

Third grind 8g in - 8g out without using the bellows.

Quite positive at this moment.

MediumRoastSteam

prezes Third grind 8g in - 8g out without using the bellows.

But what’s the exchange retention behind the chute screeen?

CoyoteOldMan

Alignment out of the box seems pretty good… especially if you got that without running the grinder (hand turning only)

prezes

CoyoteOldMan I should’ve done the same with the original italmil burrs to compare but couldn’t be bothered !

wilburpan

prezes My DF83 was very similar with the stock burrs in terms of alignment. The bottom burr was very well aligned, and the top one was pretty good. It only needed one round of shimming to get the top one aligned well.

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