Watched lance vid from the live stream.
The principal of the machine is very good, he’s version 8 and said they are on 10 now,
What worries me is his machine was set to 89 for espresso his scace showed 83/84 out the pf.
There are still a tonne of changes to make and it’s due for release in Dec
He did address the whole failed kick starter thing.
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Cuprajake What worries me is his machine was set to 89 for espresso his scace showed 83/84 out the pf
Why set to 89C if traditionally for a medium/light the temperature is around 92-94C?
Maybe the machine can’t keep up? Would be interesting to see a future version if this is addressed.
DavecUK The machine “looks” all modern minimalist and interesting…but really I can see it being a novelty for a while before it turns into a major PITA to use. Imagine a 2 mates drop round and are offered a coffee.
Latte please (sorry, doesn’t steam milk)
Americano then, OK I’ll put on the kettle
7-10 minutes later, what would you like, oh I’ll have an expresso
7- 10 minutes later, you make your own coffee
Clean up, and your left thinking, that was a ball acheKettles, small drip tray, and a long time between shots from everything I have seen so far. I tried to imagineer myself using something like that and realised quickly it’s not going to be fun and I think that could be true for a lot of backers.
Those problems aren’t unique to Meticulous, the Flair isn’t good for back to back drinks but people still like and buy them.
Exactly. It would be a perfect machine for me. I could even pair it with an nano foamer or whatever. No one drinks coffee in my house but me, and guests can have coffee from a Moka pot, for example.
But for $1,500 or whatever it is… I’ll keep my Elizabeth thanks!
I do like the idea of being able to just pour water from a kettle into the group. This would mean I could just use tap water or from a Brita Filter, but not need to go thought lengths to make my own water so it’s boiler safe.
Temperature stability might be a problem though, as shown.
Think I’m batting 4 wins and 2 losses with KS now. Assuming the xBloom is delivered, which seems likely.
One loss was for the x-bar espresso device. $200 maybe? Reviews by influencers were positive but then they simply disappeared and all we got was radio silence. That one appeared to stumble in going from prototype to production. Covid probably did not help.
The second was due to me being dumb and basing my pledge on images rather than seeing a video of a working prototype. Not coffee related. $180 maybe. Turned out that one was a blatant rip off.
The latter type of loss is my concern with crowd sourcing.
The goal is reached, pledges collected and then presumably the money, minus KS fees, is deposited into the private bank account of the project owner.
In the case of a proven manufacturer with many shareholders and board governance, that’s a safer bet. Although such companies normally raise capital privately.
But where we have one individual who relatively quickly finds $5 million (?) dollars in his bank account, I have to confess to having concerns.
In the case of Meticulous, concern #1 is the Chess KS project that raised $2 million (?) and years later has not been delivered.
Concern #2 is the temptation to take the money and simply fudge a failure by stretching out excuses over a few years while living the high life. I’m not aware of any federal requirement for transparency or accountability with KS projects. And even if there was, the power to prosecute based on one country’s laws weakens considerably once the money and the owner relocate to another country.
But assuming the above two concerns are not an issue i.e. the project owners are ethical people, concern #3 is putting $5 million (?) into the hands of someone who is not experienced in bringing thousands of machines to market from a prototype that is clearly not yet fully sorted.
The extraordinay success of the Timemore and Meticulous KS projects have magnified what were minor concerns before, to what are now major concerns, as least in my mind.
It was different when the individual pledge amounts and the total amounts raised were smaller. I may not be concerned about a firecracker going off on my front doorstep, but I would be very concerned about a bomb going off.
The KS game has changed.
Re Kickstarter, I saw a post today saying timemore will not be shipping to some countries because of the cost. But they are not going to release this list till the deadline has passed ..not sure if true.
I just don’t like a platform were you have no comeback. There’s no distance selling laws, they could send you anything 😔
Think it preys on everyone wanting a bargain.
I’ve bought used most my life and have been burnt some times, so I’ve always looked at if it’s less than 25% saving buy new, get a warranty.
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With regards to timemore… aren’t they a stablished company? Would they really risk of “doing a runner” or upsetting a very large customer base? Or maybe I’m too naïve.
Nah they wouldn’t do a runner, I’d say they probably underestimated how many backers they would get lol.
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MediumRoastSteam based on my post? If so, then aplogies for any ambiguity. No, I wasn’t referring to Timemore in my list of concerns. I mentioned them only to illustrate the sheer size of recent KS pledges.
Sorry be me mixing stuff up lol as I mentioned TM in the meticulous thread 👍
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tompoland - No, not your post :-) 👍
Just watched the most recent video from LH on the Met where the ubiquitous failure of the temperature was once again glossed over with “that doesn’t matter because Carlos said he’s changing it”.
That’s the 4th time I’ve heard a comment like that from a reviewer.
That is a concern. And this is coming from me, the guy who can normally be relied on to keep his rose coloured spectacles firmly in place.
live streaming his last comments on the timemore today, then said hes done, probably distancing himself as timemore have just changed there tune around shipping world wide and paying fees..
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Cuprajake live streaming his last comments on the timemore today, then said hes done, probably distancing himself as timemore have just changed there tune around shipping world wide and paying fees..
He is certainly flexible….
Now i wait the next video like a new episode of Breaking Bad😂
I was slightly confused when he was talking about the motor and its uses in the marine sector; submarine windows. I would say I’m no expert on submarines, however I do know a bit, and I don’t see many windows that open on them…
Linked video to the clip.
giampiero Now i wait the next video like a new episode of Breaking Bad😂
I just skipped through as LH video of the Timemore from 3 months ago….very difficult watching with many bold statements based on…guesswork? Not helpful when a Kickstarter is beginning. Looks like exactly the same thing is happening with the Meticulous, but this time from a designer and developer with no real prior experience of production, or coffee. Good at marketing though!
Del_UK <lol>, the word salad flows, this time with some honey mustard dressing. he could be talking about Chinese submarines, or Russian ones perhaps. So Carlos is using a marine military grade motor…this is really what he is implying.
Wow!
