dutchy101 curious, I have a couple of late edition DF64s and I’m curious to learn more. Is it just the fact that its necessary to use the bellows?

Yeah, just notice the fine coffee particles up the side and underneath my machine . It’s a great grinder but a little messy

Little update on burrs. I have the SSP Brew Burrs (Red) as they are called and they do fit fine in the Niche. Grinding is a little slower with these filter burrs. Not by much though….perhaps 10% slower.

The SSP burrs come marked top and bottom, key takeaways are:

  • Both SSP burrs are thicker than the thickest Mazzers by 14 and 27 Micron, so they fit the carriers and won’t need shimming to raise their height.
  • the SSP Filter burrs have top and bottom thicknesses of 9.606 and 9.619 mm respectively, so 13 micron difference. Have no idea why
  • The Diameter of the SSPs is slightly less than the Mazzers at 82.65mm, which means they are slightly more difficult than the Mazzers to centralise in the carrier. The Mazzers are almost and exact fit.

Taste wise it’s a bit early to tell, my first brew has a little bitterness, simply because I forgot to allow for the total difference of around 41 micron in height (both burrs combined), hence my grind for brew was finer and the drawdown time longer. This would account for the bitterness. Grind quality (visually) looked very good from the SSPs.

I’ll keep you informed.

    DavecUK super interesting tx for the update. Was the swapping of the burrs straightforward? Is alignment taken care of with the carriers?

      It’s interesting to know the difference in sizes between what are in theory the same size burrs

      tompoland super interesting tx for the update. Was the swapping of the burrs straightforward? Is alignment taken care of with the carriers?

      In terms of radial alignment it’s a little tricky as they are looser in the carriers, as for other alignment (axial), I have not thoroughly checked yet. It should be fine as the SSP burrs are accurate all around the periphery, as are the Mazzer burrs.

        DavecUK Given design of the carrier, looks like someone (cleverer and more skilled than me!) Could design and 3D print a centering cone a bit like you have for the base on a router.

        Like a spigot ring for a car wheel

        3 bits of tin foil round the edge haha

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        @Cuprajake curious to know, how does the Niche Zero and Duo compare when pulled through the ACS Leva?

          In terms of taste the duo has more clarity to the shot, so better separation of flavours.

          Not to say the zero produces bad shots, and I think if that was all you knew you would be happy with it. The 83mm burrs in the major/duo just bring more to the table. They give more of the beans character

          Visually they both pull and hold together well, where are the SSP look like $hit 🤣

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            JWSG A bit like any flat compared to a conical. I am a Duo tester. I deliberately have not put them together to do side by side comparisons because they are very different. You get used to something quite quickly. With the Duo when drinking non milk based even I can get a wider, cleaner range of flavours. But, I prefer darker roasted beans so when I switch back to the Zero, I detect a different profile immediately. I do not necessarily go down the road with flats are more suited to lighter roasts and conicals darker but the 2 grinders do produce different profiles. That said, with taste buds like mine who really knows!

              dfk41 Hits the nail in the head: Taste profile. After reading so much about flat vs conical vs SSP vs Unimodal vs High Uniformity vs High Speed vs Low Speed vs this vs that, although not really being in a position to compare grinders side by side, I did have he opportunity to try different grinders. And ultimately it boils down to a certain profile. It’s not that one is better than the other, but more like what appeals to your tastebuds for a certain coffee and roast style. As Cuprajake hints, if you don’t know something else exists or don’t have the opportunity to try it, I doubt you’d care, as the coffee will be good nonetheless. It’s when you have the opportunity to have different grinders sitting in the counter next to each other then you can realistic notice the difference in profile. Providing your tastebuds are up for it that is. As I mentioned on another post, with my hypersonic ultra powerful tastebuds (joke!) I couldn’t taste or point anything remarkably memorable and different between what my Niche Zero produces and what I got from Dave’s Duo. But I didn’t have them side by side either. But I bet if I had them side by side, I would be able to.

              Hmmm, that is interesting, though it doesn’t make it easier.

              I am looking for second grinder to compliment my P100. There are times where I do not wish to have the ultimate clarity but looking for more balanced and rounded cup with good volume. Also, non SSP burrs tend to be easier to manage the shots, visually at least.

                JWSG what’s in your p100? Burr wise

                If you want different then going smaller flat or conical will change that.

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                  Hu are a bright burr imo

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                    Cuprajake

                    Thats for sure, looking for something different, but maybe not to the extreme end of bright.

                    Hi do those who have used the Duo know if an alternative set of espresso burrs could be installed in the filter burr carrier or is the carrier different in anyway?

                    I only drink espresso and long black coffee but would be interested in the ability to have alternative espresso burrs to try out and it would be nice to have two sets installed in separate carriers at once to allow easy interchange.