Decent Experience and Poll
tompoland Are you sure? Have you checked the portfilter temperature?
Not exactly however after 10 minutes if I held the portafilter in my hand for a few seconds I’d burn myself! I was talking more regards water wastage as I need to distil and remineralise.
However I’m not sure we’d want the base of the basket that hot would we, I mean it’s a thin peice of metal anyway so as soon as we take it out and dose coffee I would have thought it would have dropped to a near ambient tempertature anyway?
Thanks for John’s response, very reassuring.
Regards the volume, 87ml sounds like it would produce a 40g shot, was that the output of the shot you pulled in your video?
Thanks again :)
Lol no, just rang a bell from using a Cafelat robot. It’s interesting that 90ml of water produces a 40ml shot, not that it matters.
Going from E61 to decent I definitely noticed the difference in portafilter temp but I quickly realised it didnt matter and the decent is safe for my children to use without fear of burning.
The decent is measuring the water right above the puck and if the portafilter is cooler it will supply hotter water to compensate. The PF handle temp doesn’t matter because its contact area with the basket is very small.
I think it also circulates water through the manifold as part of its ‘final heating’ phase. Basically the bits which matter are hot and the parts you touch probably aren’t!
If I am using it from cold I will perform a single flush. The PF will be cool at this point.
I also rinse the PF in cold water and haven’t noticed any difference.
Two shots my son made yesterday morning from cold. The first shows a basket temp 10C cooler but in <4s the temps converge. I dont recall us noting any taste difference:
https://visualizer.coffee/shots/714dea36-43cc-48f0-9e13-24effa8c3947/compare/615a5f07-6de3-4b6f-8d97-e9a511f1f72d
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james65477564 The decent is measuring the water right above the puck and if the portafilter is cooler it will supply hotter water to compensate.
I think this is one of the best things about the Decent for me. Unlike every other machine, which measures boiler temperature, the DE1 measures puck/slurry temperature and automatically adjusts incoming water temperature to maintain the puck temperature to the specified profile. This is why it will read as ‘72’C’ or similar at the start of the shot as it is mixing room temperature coffee grounds with hot water. All machines will be this cold initially, they just aren’t able to show this information.
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That seems pretty incredible tech to me. Thanks to all the owners for this info. If I read this right then, the temperature of the portafilter is irrelevant?
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Chriss29 If I read this right then, the temperature of the portafilter is irrelevant?
Pretty much. I’m sure it helps to have the machine on for a couple of minutes so everything can warm up properly, but even from a cold start the machine will adjust the water temperature so you aren’t going to brew a sink shot.
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sketchy 100%. People often don’t appreciate that those contraints often come about as the result of a trade off. E.g. a more powerful grinder motor may result in a higher price for the grinder. That’s a simple example but these are decisions that deigners have to make and that we unfortunately are often not privvy too. That’s why I like to invite the manufacturer to offer a ‘right of reply’ in my reviews; it gives them a chance to explain some of their choices.
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Looks nice, have they said what’s different on this one? I’m guessing more than just software?
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Looks like a very small Nurri R type.
“looks worse than the original” not my words, guess thats a no then!!
Luckily im still loving the mk2 evo🤓☕
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MediumRoastSteam Looks like a very small Nurri R type.
Yeah now you mention it I can’t unsee the Nurri style lines.
Interesting that they didn’t go for something drastically different. Especially as it sounds like they’ll sell the DE1 alongside it. Judging by the group it looks like a similar size to the DE1 which presumably means no DB and still no rotary pump.
Interested to know what’s new.
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This is a commercial machine intended for cafes. The dE1 will continue to be sold and improved.
think the design outdates the nurri too, this has been years in the making, decent are building a cafe, i believe in london?
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Just saw that it’s a factory cafe and they ‘don’t need to make money from it’ so my comment was irrelevant.
They also mention ‘low rent’, so it’s definitely not in London 😂
Still, I’m quite sceptical of the commercial viability of a Decent machine. It’s single group for starters.
Not to mention an entirely different retail and distribution model for the machines, and the cost of commercial certification for machines used in cafes.
I’m guessing this has all been considered but given the presumably very small number of customers who’d seek out a digitally profiled espresso, it’s quite surprising they’ve gone down this route rather than a domestic focussed release- which I’d have thought would be massively more viable and lucrative.
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