There is a new grinder about to hit the market from Bella Barista the T64, **not to be confused** with the Profitec T64. It's a 64mm flat burr grinder, produced by a Chinese manufacturer, I had a prototype and already a few enhancements have been recommended by me to BB so they can fine tune their offering. **The grinder in the video doesn't have an extra movable zero collar, the revised grinder does,** and it means the zero point can be adjusted should you ever change/use different burrs. The BB grinders will have this as standard. [upl-image-preview url=https://i.imgur.com/P1d9vPj.png] Secondly, the grinder can be purchased with Italmill, Chinese, or SSP burrs. **Bella Barista have decided to only offer it with SSP burrs at this time.** I truly don't know what burrs mine has, but I suspect it's not SSP burrs, even though it's working great! These videos introduce the T64 grinder, it's a nice variable speed flat burr grinder that produces excellent in cup results. It's is being launched by Bella Barista in the UK. https://bellabarista.co.uk/ The power brick you see is for my cabinet lights, the grinder plugs directly into the mains and is 230/240 volt. The grind cup, extension funnel and forks are all for the standard 58mm porta filter and made of good quality thick aluminium, not plastic The grinder is being returned early next week, so any questions, ask them quickly. https://youtu.be/VZYepwWagvw?si=b5Uk_yfMl28Aan73 https://youtu.be/XQLxMeQupsA?si=6tNlNFMCLu-5bFzs Now if you read this far I don't feel it's appropriate to disclose the planned pricing of this grinder in advance of BB announcement. But they will be doing a forum special at a price that if they step up and do what they say, will be unbelievably good and I don't say that lightly.

Thanks Dave, there is a "BG T64" on YT that may be the same. Looks pretty solid. Pretty sure the burrs are not SSP given the color variation but videos and lighting can be deceptive. https://youtu.be/vX-StUEhe4A?si=c44173JKA3buBr9z One concern in the comments in the YT thread was "it's stepless until it's not" referring to the dial drifting under load to a stepped point. The video was front August 2023 and it's normally an easy fix for the manufacturer so I'm wondering if you noticed any drift in the unit you have?

> @"tompoland"#p63075 The video was front August 2023 and it’s normally an easy fix for the manufacturer so I’m wondering if you noticed any drift in the unit you have? I got my unit from BB in January and it was stepped…I (damaged the stepped pin to jam it in, as you can't pull it out), this made it stepless. I did this after realising going in between steps was imprecise, it would possibly "fall off" the steps and move…plus it wasn't mine and would be going back (It actually is being collected by Bella Barista next week). As stepless, it's never moved or drifted at all and the company have been asked to make the BB grinders stepless. Also to add a re-zero ring as they might be factory zeroed, but if people change burrs then the zero may be lost. Also the factories zero might not always bee 100% correct. There is one big difference you perhaps didn't spot…**it's not variable speed**, mine goes from 800-2000 rpm, which is how I can use it to clear grinds without using the bellows. There are some other differences in the video to the unit I have, some small some larger * **The grinder in the video has a 200W motor, my unit has a 300W motor** * Aluminium lid with wood top cover on mine (looks nice, adds a bit of contrast. * The ring that fits on top of the grinds cup has two grippy o rings machines in to it stays in place nicely * The grinder I have it I believe slightly heavier. But they look like they are from the same company and offer the same 3 burr options…obviously I suggested to BB to only use SSP burrs, because they are a known quantity and the quality of construction merits it. *P.S.The Evo portafilter funnel for LSM size portafilter from Norvin (thanks again Norvin), fits a groove in the grind cup perfectly as you saw on the video, making it super easy to use with my 53.5mm portafilters*

How would you compare it to df64 if you have used both? Also any way for non UK customers to buy it without having to ship from BB?

> @"delta76"#p63111 How would you compare it to df64 if you have used both? Also any way for non UK customers to buy it without having to ship from BB? I actually have a DF64 and it in my option the T64 is a much better grinder. and more accurately made. Oh I forgot to mention once it's finished grinding, after 2 minutes it switches off, so they really have thought about the product and the grind cup etc.. I have no idea about availability and retailers world wide, if you are in Europe BB might well ship it?

@"DavecUK"#p63112 - did you manage to find out more about the phenomenon of no static what so ever? Is there anything special? Given high end grinders come with a spray bottle…. This is an achievement in itself, whatever they did!

@"DavecUK"#p63112 if it comes to that I might have to, but would prefer to buy from a local retailer or at least from within EU to avoid tax complication (and warranty also). Great to hear it is better than df64 in your opinions - i know you pay very close attention to details!

> @"DavecUK"#p63112 actually have a DF64 and it in my option the T64 is a much better grinder. and more accurately made. Interesting thanks Dave. Can you shed some light on "more accurately made" and is there anything else that you prefer over the DF?

> @"giampiero"#p63128 Any stalling issue? As I said in the video and description as well I think, **no problems with stalling**. I run it at it's slowest speed 800 rpm, **I don't hot start** and in the video you can listen to it grinding. I have also tried some of @"LMSC"#16 light beans in it as well.

> @"tompoland"#p63120 Can you shed some light on “more accurately made” and is there anything else that you prefer over the DF? not really, it's just more accurate, no o rings to centralise the core as in the DF64, and accurately made is just that, especially in the burr chamber…all milled aluminium and no wave washer. It's just a nicer grinder to use and especially adjust. The looks of the grinder ittself and accessories like the catch cup etc.. are way better.

T64 Grinder From Bella Barista

DavecUK

Teaboy when do you think you’ll get the Philos?

Probably won’t. Mazzer said they would send me one if I wanted, but I never followed up on it.

HarveyMushman

DavecUK Probably won’t. Mazzer said they would send me one if I wanted, but I never followed up on it.

Was there any particular reason you didn’t want to test it? Lots of people would very much value your thoughts on it!

InfamousTuba

Teaboy

Once mazzer or our mazzer distributor decide to make it available for purchase (as long as the price is somewhat reasonable and there are no obvious problems flagged by early reviews). It will be seeing light commercial use so we can’t really go for something like a T64 or even a niche duo

DavecUK

HarveyMushman Was there any particular reason you didn’t want to test it? Lots of people would very much value your thoughts on it!

I just never got around to contacting them….too many other things going on….

Tal

Is this now impossible to purchase?

Been contemplating a grinder upgrade (currently have a 50mm Eureka Mignon Facile for espresso), been sort of hankering for a niche zero for the low retention and easy switching between grind settings for different beans.

Just caught up with this thread and it seems the grinder is a viable alternative to the df64v and niche zero?

DavecUK

Tal Contact Bella Barista directly!

DavecUK

For others wondering about a T64, just call BB and ask for it!

Adrianmsmith

Just to add, When they replied to my email ( I was asking if i was still getting my grinder) they did say they were NOT discontinuing it but were reserving it for store visitors and direct enquiries.

Ironically i have already sold my “DF” that they are allowed to publicly advertise and am hoping the “T” is better. It has to equal the Duo to stay - or i have the duo and use the T for Judes Decaf!! Jury is still out on the Key.

DavecUK

Adrianmsmith T is way way better than the DF. I have a DF64 and DF64V, it is better than either of them.

I understand about the W Key, it’s not for everyone and certainly didn’t suit me, I suspect you are finding the same. Fortunately it’s sought after so you should have no trouble flipping it.

Inspirado

Has anybody asked about shipment to US?

Sham

I don’t get the hype for this, it’s just a rebadged Chinese grinder… Chinese grinders are really good these days, but I guess BB selling it makes it more ‘legit.’

delta76

Sham There are plenty (and that is an understatement) of Chinese grinders and they can be from very bad to very good. This one is tested and recommended by @DavecUK and that is not something to sneeze at. We hyped for a reason, too bad the grinder itself didn’t fly because of reasons not related to its quality

Sham

delta76 honestly there’s a few other good ones on AliExpress that if Dave tested would be as good as this one, but much cheaper as it’s directly from the source. Of course you trade price with lackluster customer support, but I’d rather not pay a ‘middle-man’ fee if I don’t have to.

delta76

Sham show me one that could be as good, but cheaper. 459 GBP was with SSP burr which is worth 180 GBP alone

dfk41

Sham honestly there’s a few other good ones on AliExpress

How do you know exactly please?

Sham

This one’s pretty good, albeit no speed control. I got this one for cheap, it comes with two copy SSP burrs for filter and espresso. Also here’s the exact grinder as the T64, price isn’t great but likely cheaper on Alibaba…

Sham

dfk41 Because I have one… also the exact one from this thread is on AliExpress.

dfk41

Sham So, you base these Chinese grinders advertised on a Chinese website as being good simply because you have one? Are you an engineer? Have you conducted any meaningful tests that I ought to see so I can or cannot draw the same conclusions? If you are not the sort of person who values ‘middle man’ customer service then I hope that you get many years decent service out of your purchase……..of course there is a caveat……I think more people are going to take note of a recommendation made by @DavecUK after a period of testing and use than what would appear to be your questionable recommendation but hey ho!

Sham

dfk41 I say it’s good because it grinds well for the price… I thought that would be obvious. Also yes I am an engineer (bachelors in mechanical and a PhD in manufacturing). Of course I appreciate someone’s opinion who has tested a product, but that wasn’t the point I was making. The point was that everyone’s focusing on this ONE Chinese grinder because Dave has tested it, and STILL saying other Chinese grinders are not good (when in fact this is merely a Chinese grinder that BB thought they could make some £$ reselling).

dfk41

Sham My understanding of the situation, and I might well be wrong, was that BB as they often do, asked Dave if they could send him a grinder. He normally says yes but within a couple of hours knows whether it is going to bring anything new to the table. This time Dave sent feedback to the firm and they were impressed enough to immediately implement. Am I saying that the Dave factor is worth anything additional…….yep………there must be dozens of coffee manufacturers out there who would wish they could persuade him to help them with their project…..when I say help I should really say unpaid help since Dave does not charge these firms anything for the work he does…….so there is a plethora of bad Chinese grinders, some of which Dave has seen and others he has not. There are also some success stories. Can you blame BB for trying to find products not stocked by the other usual coffee retailers? I suspect though have no proof that they do not bother with a lot more than they do….

DavecUK

Sham The point was that everyone’s focusing on this ONE Chinese grinder because Dave has tested it, and STILL saying other Chinese grinders are not good (when in fact this is merely a Chinese grinder that BB thought they could make some £$ reselling).

Partly right….I’m sure there are some Chinese grinders that are good, and of course many that are not.

Your second point about BB really isn’t right at all. There are multiple reasons for Rodney wanting to bring this in and the primary driver isn’t to make some $ reselling, it’s a driver of course…but there’s a lot more to it than that.

Also Rodney loves to find new, good products and he is good at it..

delta76

Sham Dave tested this one, he likes it and thinks it’s a great performance/price choice. What’s wrong with that? Does he have to test every single Chinese grinder out there to make a recommendation?
I did not recall Dave said anything about Chinese grinders in general. He only compared this to the ones he used, Chinese or not.

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