Meticulous
Just a little bit, lol
tompoland Equal penalty for an equal violation of rules.
Which I assume includes not slandering other members.
Indeed, I brought it up to equate two incidents in the hope it could be de-escalated similarly, not to get back in to the original drama or take sides. I even emphasised it several times but some of the replies seem to have ignored this and got excited.
At the end of the day I value the range of opinions here but some topics just go around in complete circles with no appreciation for nuance.
tompoland Emily was demoing and more than willing to mention everything she considered unfinished
I’ve seen this mentioned from other testers too, including espressofun who said Carlos encouraged him to openly discuss the issues and bugs on his channel. Understand a machine still ironing out issues after it’s asked for funding is not for everyone but the company doesn’t seem to be hiding it’s flaws at least.
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This actually brings up another point from LH’s beautiful advertisement simping video. He mentions you can ‘measure a spring’ on a londinium or other lever machine, but pressure is a function of stuff like distance. You wouldn’t be able to say ‘i put 20lb pressure on my londinium over a metre travel, therefore this almost direct piston needs 20lb of pressure.’
2000 netwton per sq m= 0.2 bar.
200 bar per sq cm…….Portafilter is about 23 cm2
So actually 200/23 = 8.69 bar. So yes, I miscalculated.
FadedFrontiers Indeed, I brought it up to equate two incidents in the hope it could be de-escalated similarly, not to get back in to the original drama or take sides. I even emphasised it several times but some of the replies seem to have ignored this and got excited.
If you look back at the 2 incidents, Denis comment about me were in no way the same as the other incident….they were 2nd hand comments fed to him and quite abhorrent ,and untrue for anyone who cares to go back and check the posts properly.. No way will I put up with things like that. Even suggesting I had a fight with LH, his words below…I absolutely didn’t, I was in bloody Italy when it all blew up and away from the forum for a lot of the time. I won’t put up with that sort of stuff from anyone.
I know you had a “fight” with him for something
DavecUK It only applies pressure to the top of the basket where there is contact though (at 58mm diameter)?
Regardless, if you look at LH’s video with his pressure graph, it’s showing a consistent 9 Bars which wouldn’t seem possible for that setup. Apparently this thing is supposed to be able to do 13-14 bars or something by way of a piston.
capuchin I guess it needs someone to put a pressure measuring portafilter on it. I assume that must have been done during testing, that’s just basic good practice?
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DavecUK my point was that they both broke forum rules:
Abuse, personal attacks, flaming, inciting argument, will not be tolerated.
The two points you made above which separate it from the previous incident make no difference RE what I can see of the rules, but I understand why it was offensive and incorrect - I’m not denying that. Anyway I hoped it could be amicably resolved but it’s not going to be and that’s fine, happy to move on.
Mods didn’t ban lance either, dfk got a 6month probation
Anyways
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Cuprajake Mods didn’t ban lance either
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FadedFrontiers Anyway I hoped it could be amicably resolved but it’s not going to be and that’s fine, happy to move on.
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Lance wasn’t banned, he flounced.
Rob666 who said he was?
Why don’t we forget who said what…..for a change
There is a lot of overreacting going on here.
Not everyone is “in the know” about everything. The world is full of conflicting opinions and pseudo “facts”. Banning someone from expressing an opinion, even if it was based on misleading or downright wrong “facts” is an overreaction. Claiming LH tried to destroy the forum is an overreaction. Claiming he “flounced” is an over-reaction.
If I remember correctly LH wasn’t banned but another member from the other side of the “disagreement” was sanctioned and temp banned from posting. I’m struggling to get my head around why that was deemed appropriate as all the blame currently seems directed at LH! If he was treated in a way that warranted the other side receiving a temp-ban surely he was the one treated badly? Maybe he was the one provoked into going into attack mode?
Mods on any public forum need to learn how to diffuse and educate people who are falsely informed. Banning them doesn’t help, they won’t be silenced everywhere - only here. If you don’t engage it, rightly or wrongly, looks defensive. Passive aggressive, even!
If you have points to make, then make them. If people make incorrect statements - correct them. Discussion, differences in opinions, and even disagreements, are what makes things interesting, They are part of life.
Banning, silencing, no-platforming is seldom the right response. Engagement and educations are better options. Otherwise you get a boring group-think pseudo-dictatorship. All IMHO of course.