Ixorya I think with the price differences involved, your stated preferences and the fact you like how they both look. Apart from the workflow, the DF64 would seem to be your logical choice, then see if you want to upgrade to SSP burrs later as it uses the Italmill burr set, not my favourite, but it works OK.
Flat versus Conical
dutchy101 Oh my, the black set looks good too. @.@
@DavecUK thank you for the suggestion and the in-depth review. Really did answer a lot of my questions. I like that the DF64 is a good “all-rounder” grinder. Since I switch between brew methods often. How is your experience switching brew methods? I’ll watch the videos attached to the review tomorrow to get a better idea of the grinder. 😁
Thank you all for the valuable input. I am learning a lot. 😁
Ixorya How is your experience switching brew methods? I’ll watch the videos attached to the review tomorrow to get a better idea of the grinder
It was OK, not real problems that I remember…not quite as slick to adjust as a Niche.
Ixorya Another question, is a 30 SGD / 20 EUR / 22 USD upgrade to the titanium burrs worth it? Or not really since might
No
Out of curiosity I asked Hansung Lee how much a set of SSP’s would be for my E37s (83mm), he quoted 350USD incl Fedex to the UK. There will probably be VAT and import tax on top of that at the border. So not a cheap upgrade!!
I cant remember if i paid import on my ssp when i got them, im thinking i did
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This is quite an interesting video:
And also this that showed most professional could tell the difference blind testing
If you are drinking back to back to back you will/may pick up differences depending on palette but on their own it’s alot more difficult.
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Cuprajake - exactly. As I said before, my experience was that I couldn’t tell the difference between the Duo and the Zero - not a pronounced difference. But I’m sure if I had them side by side, I would.
I do think more then ever manufacturers are preying on consumer uncertainty, pushed even more by what’s found on line
That vid of lance is kinda as clear as mud as in he says they are at opposite ends of the scale but then they cross over etc, I suppose as long as the burrs are not in a zero we are good 😬 I really feel for the folks at niche come the time lance gets his duo, I’m hoping he looks at it with a new product eye with no bias of his previous niche zero thoughts.
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Cuprajake I really feel for the folks at niche come the time lance gets his duo, I’m hoping he looks at it with a new product eye with no bias of his previous niche zero thoughts.
Yeah… That would be a very interesting time. Personally, I don’t think Niche played that card very well, from a marketing/keeping influencers sweet point of view at least.
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Pricing and offering single flat burr - there is a business case, which is up to them.
Re-influencers / reviewers - I wonder how does one play! Taste is relative; and, how extensive a reviewer is willing to go down testing? No point, IMO, worrying about influencers / reviewers views especially if one were to decide because Niche Zero doesn’t claimed to be not fairing well for light or many end up using finer settings for filter and state it s****!
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This is true not just for Niche, but for any products in general.
LMSC yeah - But remember, a lot of people just go on google, type “single dose grinder” and then get greeted with some trash with a head line of “The <insert your name here> - My honest opinion”. And they will just take that as the gospel, whatever is said.
Remember that not many of us frequent forums and are informed as we are.
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MediumRoastSteam Remember that not many of us frequent forums and are informed as we are.
That’s the problem. Can’t blame them.
not sure re the influencer thing there are alot of instagram and youtubers with duos now. so alot do have them
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MediumRoastSteam I mean the Zero benefitted from exactly that too, influencers all loved it and no way would it have been half as successful without them.
The issue now is that the Duo is coming out in a very a crowded SD market, a lot has changed in the short period since the Zero first came out yet it looks the same and lacks features of the moment like variable RPM, anti-static ion beams, even chaff knockers, etc.
FadedFrontiers Most of the new models though, are not the finished article, but crowdfunded projects. This usually means under developed and tested, whereas the Duo is extremely ready for the retail market
The grinder landscape has changed dramatically.
Let’s not forget the niche was totally different to the norm
Before it was sold there was no real single dose option
Now there are lots of options
From using a duo, you really don’t need static rays or knockers with it, doesn’t even need rdt.
Variable rpm is still highly debated.
I think the single biggest thing with the duo is that most are thinking it’s no different to the zero. No excitement factor. But you need to use it.
Me personally I love the flat burr profile.
I’m happy with my Evo and the way it extracts
Some people want a 60s shot, spro overs etc I’ve never really tried those types of shot imo if that’s your bag just go for a pour over
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