There is a new grinder about to hit the market from Bella Barista the T64, **not to be confused** with the Profitec T64. It's a 64mm flat burr grinder, produced by a Chinese manufacturer, I had a prototype and already a few enhancements have been recommended by me to BB so they can fine tune their offering. **The grinder in the video doesn't have an extra movable zero collar, the revised grinder does,** and it means the zero point can be adjusted should you ever change/use different burrs. The BB grinders will have this as standard. [upl-image-preview url=https://i.imgur.com/P1d9vPj.png] Secondly, the grinder can be purchased with Italmill, Chinese, or SSP burrs. **Bella Barista have decided to only offer it with SSP burrs at this time.** I truly don't know what burrs mine has, but I suspect it's not SSP burrs, even though it's working great! These videos introduce the T64 grinder, it's a nice variable speed flat burr grinder that produces excellent in cup results. It's is being launched by Bella Barista in the UK. https://bellabarista.co.uk/ The power brick you see is for my cabinet lights, the grinder plugs directly into the mains and is 230/240 volt. The grind cup, extension funnel and forks are all for the standard 58mm porta filter and made of good quality thick aluminium, not plastic The grinder is being returned early next week, so any questions, ask them quickly. https://youtu.be/VZYepwWagvw?si=b5Uk_yfMl28Aan73 https://youtu.be/XQLxMeQupsA?si=6tNlNFMCLu-5bFzs Now if you read this far I don't feel it's appropriate to disclose the planned pricing of this grinder in advance of BB announcement. But they will be doing a forum special at a price that if they step up and do what they say, will be unbelievably good and I don't say that lightly.

Thanks Dave, there is a "BG T64" on YT that may be the same. Looks pretty solid. Pretty sure the burrs are not SSP given the color variation but videos and lighting can be deceptive. https://youtu.be/vX-StUEhe4A?si=c44173JKA3buBr9z One concern in the comments in the YT thread was "it's stepless until it's not" referring to the dial drifting under load to a stepped point. The video was front August 2023 and it's normally an easy fix for the manufacturer so I'm wondering if you noticed any drift in the unit you have?

> @"tompoland"#p63075 The video was front August 2023 and it’s normally an easy fix for the manufacturer so I’m wondering if you noticed any drift in the unit you have? I got my unit from BB in January and it was stepped…I (damaged the stepped pin to jam it in, as you can't pull it out), this made it stepless. I did this after realising going in between steps was imprecise, it would possibly "fall off" the steps and move…plus it wasn't mine and would be going back (It actually is being collected by Bella Barista next week). As stepless, it's never moved or drifted at all and the company have been asked to make the BB grinders stepless. Also to add a re-zero ring as they might be factory zeroed, but if people change burrs then the zero may be lost. Also the factories zero might not always bee 100% correct. There is one big difference you perhaps didn't spot…**it's not variable speed**, mine goes from 800-2000 rpm, which is how I can use it to clear grinds without using the bellows. There are some other differences in the video to the unit I have, some small some larger * **The grinder in the video has a 200W motor, my unit has a 300W motor** * Aluminium lid with wood top cover on mine (looks nice, adds a bit of contrast. * The ring that fits on top of the grinds cup has two grippy o rings machines in to it stays in place nicely * The grinder I have it I believe slightly heavier. But they look like they are from the same company and offer the same 3 burr options…obviously I suggested to BB to only use SSP burrs, because they are a known quantity and the quality of construction merits it. *P.S.The Evo portafilter funnel for LSM size portafilter from Norvin (thanks again Norvin), fits a groove in the grind cup perfectly as you saw on the video, making it super easy to use with my 53.5mm portafilters*

How would you compare it to df64 if you have used both? Also any way for non UK customers to buy it without having to ship from BB?

> @"delta76"#p63111 How would you compare it to df64 if you have used both? Also any way for non UK customers to buy it without having to ship from BB? I actually have a DF64 and it in my option the T64 is a much better grinder. and more accurately made. Oh I forgot to mention once it's finished grinding, after 2 minutes it switches off, so they really have thought about the product and the grind cup etc.. I have no idea about availability and retailers world wide, if you are in Europe BB might well ship it?

@"DavecUK"#p63112 - did you manage to find out more about the phenomenon of no static what so ever? Is there anything special? Given high end grinders come with a spray bottle…. This is an achievement in itself, whatever they did!

@"DavecUK"#p63112 if it comes to that I might have to, but would prefer to buy from a local retailer or at least from within EU to avoid tax complication (and warranty also). Great to hear it is better than df64 in your opinions - i know you pay very close attention to details!

> @"DavecUK"#p63112 actually have a DF64 and it in my option the T64 is a much better grinder. and more accurately made. Interesting thanks Dave. Can you shed some light on "more accurately made" and is there anything else that you prefer over the DF?

> @"giampiero"#p63128 Any stalling issue? As I said in the video and description as well I think, **no problems with stalling**. I run it at it's slowest speed 800 rpm, **I don't hot start** and in the video you can listen to it grinding. I have also tried some of @"LMSC"#16 light beans in it as well.

> @"tompoland"#p63120 Can you shed some light on “more accurately made” and is there anything else that you prefer over the DF? not really, it's just more accurate, no o rings to centralise the core as in the DF64, and accurately made is just that, especially in the burr chamber…all milled aluminium and no wave washer. It's just a nicer grinder to use and especially adjust. The looks of the grinder ittself and accessories like the catch cup etc.. are way better.

T64 Grinder From Bella Barista

HarveyMushman

FadedFrontiers

They were advertised as MP Red Speed burrs which I bought for a Mazzer grinder and at the time, this was a couple of years ago, I wrongly assumed that meant SSP. But they turned up unbranded.

It was my fault really but I didn’t realise red speed was just a coating used by other manufacturers at that point.

dutchy101

Burrnt

MediumRoastSteam

Looks like this grinder is now available for the general public from BB for £459. The discount code for forum members (£100 off) no longer works.

delta76

MediumRoastSteam the coupon gave 100GBP off which makes it 459GBP. I guess the anticipation was not great so they make it available to everyone, no coupon needed

dutchy101

I guess there’s still some of the 20 units at £459 available? It was going to be a £75 discount from the 25th.

Is it only me who has ordered one?

MediumRoastSteam

dutchy101 It was going to be a £75 discount from the 25th.

Most likely they have changed their mind on that. I haven’t ordered one - although I have to confess I’ve been tempted many, many times! - I already have a Niche Duo, so most likely it will be just more of the same. I don’t have a need for 2 grinders either, to the point I sold my trusty Niche Zero the other day :-)

Adrianmsmith

dutchy101

At least 2 of us now👍🏻

MediumRoastSteam

delta76 - yes. That’s what I said.

DavecUK

delta76 MediumRoastSteam the coupon gave 100GBP off which makes it 459GBP. I guess the anticipation was not great so they make it available to everyone, no coupon needed

The coupon was designed to give forum members a head start, that’s all, the first 20 were always intended to be a £459 launch only price.

The one I have is a very good grinder…..must get it packed for return.

dutchy101

It’s a great forum offer and very much appreciated - I can’t wait to get my hands on the grinder. I’ve also benefitted from the other BB forum offer for the Solo hand grinder

Keep ’em coming @DavecUK - cheers!

MediumRoastSteam

Gagaryn I’m pretty sure the BB one is made by Ningbo Grind Electric Appliance

Looks like you are correct. Bella Barista actually does list the manufacturer. Not on the product detail page, not on their listing page, but in the “recently viewed” section. 🤷‍♂️

Incidentally, not he same manufacturer as the df64.

delta76

MediumRoastSteam the manufacturer of df64 hit the jackpot so I don’t think they need to introduce new brand, only expansion of df64 line. It is the other manufacturers that need to catch up with new offerings.

Interestingly two years ago df64 was touted as NZ killer. Now almost every new cheap grinder in the market aims to be df64 killer

MediumRoastSteam

delta76 the manufacturer of df64 hit the jackpot

I just pointed out they are not the same! No reading in between the lines, no second guesses, no hidden agenda. Just pointed out, that’s all (as it happened to be side by side in the image).

dfk41

I may not know much about the technical side of coffee, but I do know if @DavecUK recommends something, then it must be good! Remember, he is completely opposed to commercialism on this forum and in general. He does not take money in exchange for reviews (sales pitches) so he has no interest in recommending something that does not come up to his standards.

I think folks sometimes have short memories and if they were there have forgotten that cfuk existed for the original owner and a handful of selected members to rape and pillage members selling them a whole host of goodies.

Adrianmsmith

dfk41

Totally agree (not sure about the second paragraph ) and would add…..

Why would @DavecUK reccomended something mediocre and open up the forum for a tidal wave of abuse in the weeks that follow.

Look at some of the comments on another thread when he takes some battering from some members who have niggles with a perfectly decent (sorry!!) New or should I say V2 coffee machine. ☕

Amberale

dfk41

I understand your point but that side of cfuk was invisible to me as an Aussie user.
I may have been a latecomer (not according to the missus) but I didn’t get any blatant marketing.
I’m not suggesting it didn’t happen and some of the aggression around the londiniums was disappointing but I basically joined the forum for access to Dave and his Bianca knowledge base.

delta76

MediumRoastSteam Just saying that it was expected, the manufacturer of df64 should have no incentive to make another grinder

HarveyMushman

‘Abuse, rape, battering…’

Some pretty harsh terms being thrown around here for very mild critique.

For a forum that prides itself on being friendly and independent there’s certainly a lot of animosity for anyone who dares to criticise certain things.

dfk41

HarveyMushman Some pretty harsh terms being thrown around here for very mild critique.

I choose my words very carefully…….ask yourself why if you want

Adrianmsmith

I’m just pondering if to order one to compare to the duo and my , now sold, df83.

It Can’t be worse than the battering @DavecUK gave my latest acquisition (😜) and am interested in the static part of the equation or this T64. Maybe it wasn’t aimed at me directly, just bad timing 🎯 haha.

Shouldn’t Lose too much depending which I decide to sell on, well, maybe!!

DavecUK

dfk41 I choose my words very carefully…….ask yourself why if you want

It would be better to choose less words, a lot less!

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