dfk41 Lol! Not writing it off, just well outside my budgetary restraints, being semi-retired 🙂

    CafeNoir

    Semi retired just means you are closer to either being dead, or worse, told by your doctor that you cant do coffee any more.
    Spend your $$ before someone else gets to.
    You can always follow TomPoland’s route and buy/try/sell.

      CoyoteOldMan

      No mate, he keeps things at home quite minimalist from what I have seen.
      He also sells his lightly used equipment at very philanthropic prices to fellow coffee enthusiasts.

      Why are there no pictures of this machine yet? It’s been in the works for more than a year right?

        dfk41 Five years!? 😯

        Odyssey Argos has had pictures and a checklist online for ages now.

          dfk41 Bizzare though. Giving the benefit of doubt, 2 ¾ years. It’s too long a time. I wonder recent product developments keeps it on the innovation table. One needs to draw a line. Otherwise, any product will never see the light.

            dfk41 who does the innovation table belong to

            Exactly! obviously the business owner or those working for the owner as long as the owner is calling the shots. Otherwise, GL.

            I am also curious about the final product as L1 was the first lever I saw online and I was impressed. I dropped L a pm last week about the Vectis. And they replied “not yet, check back next month (Sep) I think”. Trust it doesn’t mean anything given the track record. Impressed by how they can keep information so confined if the machine is going to be launched / open for preorder next month.

              I know there’s no love loss for londinuim for some people,

              I’d just leave it there, no need to comment, or speak of them, you’re actually doing them more service giving them band width.

              You’re better off shouting about how good the new generation of levers that are far better. Than comparing apples and oranges.

              All it does is make it look like you have a point to prove

              Giphy - Fire Oops GIF

              Decent De1pro v1.45 - Niche Duo - Niche Zero - Decent is the best machine ever made -

                Not only is it tiring, it also paints the forum in a bad light, there’s already been one comment on the londinuim negativity,

                I’m fine with us comparing and discussion etc

                This is the friendliest forum, with great input and questions genuinely get answered

                👍👍👍 let’s keep it that way 👍👍👍

                Decent De1pro v1.45 - Niche Duo - Niche Zero - Decent is the best machine ever made -

                  Cuprajake Jake, you are fairly new to the Londinium saga……I have been involved with it since 2012. Perhaps I am party to a lot more information than you. Perhaps I am aware of the dirty tricks they have got up to in that time……who knows. I do not think I am being particularly unfair or harsh in what I say. Certainly no one seems to dispute it. We go weeks and months without any Londinium chat, then all of a sudden, some red buses come along. I agree the chatter has been intense of recent, so I will leave it to others for the time being. Everyone knows my feelings on the matter. Nothing wrong with the machines but the new ones are not game changers on the world stage……for me anyway.

                  why the hell are we talking about a machine that is not yet released (and no release date), no price, not tested or performance, verified. This thread has run since January 2022 and still no machine. Anyone reading this would think they could go and buy a Vectis, even comments about performance are meaningless, no one knows (not even the creator), how it’s going to perform until they test it.

                  I remember when quite a few members of a certain forum were badmouthing the Vesuvius Evo, a machine that existed, was tested, priced and worked. Some of the comments were truly ridiculous and aimed at potential buyers to put them off. None of them had ever seen, let alone used an Evo. Their behaviour was excessive and appalling. I don’t want to go down that route. Lets keep things factual and useful.

                  I’m personally bored with this discussion, as it’s not productive and for a machine that doesn’t even exist. When it does, we have a price and someone owns one with the means to properly test it….then lets reopen discussions. Until then, I am closing this thread.

                  DavecUK locked the discussion .