agree we need more discussion on the other features, theres not much on youtube etc yet
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chlorox . If it can also be possible to easily change the spring pressure on demand as well, the possibilities would be mouthwatering…
I believe, from what I’ve read, that you can change both the pre-infusion spring pressure and the maximum spring pressure on the La Marzocco Leva as and when you like.
chlorox On a conventional lever, you can also do that by retarding the lever slightly to alleviate the pressure if you have to remove the pf quickly for some reason…..did you know that matey?
mathof2 For £15,000 I’d expect it to do quite a lot of other things as well 😂
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Yes of course. But these tricks were arrived at as work arounds to address design defects and weaknesses of the lever design. The point of these innovations is to provide a convenient and easy technical solution to finally address these weaknesses so that you don’t have to employ tupperware switching and pulling of the lever to find the point where pressure is relieved.
Let me give you an analogy - if you employ that same attitude of rejection of such technical solutions in a more consistent way, you would also invalidate the basis for buying your vesuvius evo machine altogether. Why bother with getting a double boiler and temperature regulated grouphead design at all? Why give up that lovely silent lever operation and line pressure that a comventional and traditional lever has? Why not employ repeated heating flushes or cooling either wet towels or dipping the portafilter in a ice cold bath to raise or lower grouphead temperature in tandem with a thermocouple? After all these work around also work - eventually and after a good deal of trouble…
The nurri’s innovations are moving in the same wave or spirit of pushing the envelope technically that the vesuvius evo and the vostok are also part of. Instead of being defensive over them, we should embrace and welcome them as positive developments because they will also and are already sparking further innovation by other manufacturers.
chlorox
Hey Mate.
It is getting a bit confusing in here.
This is what I was referring to.
“I imagine that in order to achieve that sort of control a new lever grouphead would need to be designed that can immediately control by demand the exact volume of water that is allowed to enter the grouphead on every pull. If it can also be possible to easily change the spring pressure on demand as well, the possibilities would be mouthwatering…”
I am enjoying all aspects of this discussion.
I might be an outlier but, I let the drip tray do it’s job.
I let stuff spurt into it and once a week I clean it.
That’s its job.
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It is amazing that you could buy a nurri, a vesuvius evo and a vostok single group ans probably have money left over for a nice grinder with the money that is necessary to buy a LEVA X! It is an amazing technical achievement of a machine but it also appears to be incredibly complex with many components that can break down over time. Design wise that stirrup handle isn’t the best design choice either in my opinion anyway. And lastly it is also vast in proportions and probably makes dcen an izzo pompei look small….
i dont think it matters - it all ends up in the drip tray regardless
id like to see what the display screen does as thats different too.
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chlorox Yep - in fact, if you buy a 3 group machine (heck, last I counted, Nurri, Evo and Vostok 1 makes 3), there is enough money for 3 really good grinders. On the other hand - at least in terms of size - it’s clearly meant for a commercial application. Whether it has the robustness/reliability that I would want for commercial use… different question altogether, but LM should know a thing or two about engineering coffee machines. If I won the lottery, would I buy it? Probably not. Plenty of other stuff would come first.
Cuprajake i dont think it matters - it all ends up in the drip tray regardless
Correct, in its current shape and form. But what @chlorox was saying is that if the machine measured the exact amount of water required for an espresso… technically it would not waste water. However, there will be other issues, like filling the piston with air instead, so that would have to be overcome too, etc, etc, etc.
@chlorox - I’m enjoying the read and discussions :-) 👍
@dfk41 - The whole point here is that in the Nurri the paddle is there for those who think it’s useful and want to use it. You don’t have to.
the one top left, that has the timer on, i presumed you could press stuff on that
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and thats where you adjust settings?
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simonko I would have liked the venting on my Izzo Valexia - as the cup clearance with a double spout is too low to put anything underneath without a juggling act, especially not with scales and if you’re retarding the lever manually.
Here the cup clearance looks much better - so feel I wouldn’t value it as much - however let’s face it, we will upgrade int the future and it’s an attractive feature when reselling!
Same with the preinfusion - I’m happy with mains preinfusion and would prefer no pump, tank and the complex Gicar in the Nurri - and would jump at a Nurri without those- but they give men semis when re-selling.
You nailed it. Group height clearance was one of the reasons for purchasing the machine. Also, the machine was done with this characteristic on purpose since the concept.
Try to put a tupperware under that.
BTW, you can purchase the L-Type without pump. :)