On a local walk around today I was quite surprised to see blackberries already ripe and hazelnuts formed and some dropping off. Anyone else seen signs of early autumn ??

> @"Elcarajillo"#p48956 Anyone else seen signs of early autumn ?? I think this summer might be set to be a short one…it's certainly not been as warm as usual. Perhaps the fight against global warming is working?

@"DavecUK"#p48958 Thats a possible answer Dave, but so is the eco loons only have something to bleat on about when heat events like last summer happen. If last summer was down to climate change, what is their explanation for this year?

Rest of the world is having a heat wave by all accounts, luckily with the UK pushing forward with net zero, were cool, I mean none of us can afford to use electric, cars, etc those of us with mortgages are currently paying that and eating our lawns and said berries above we have foraged

@"Cuprajake"#p48962 I foraged sone nice strawberries at Sainsbury today!

> @"Cuprajake"#p48962 , luckily with the UK pushing forward with net zero, were cool, I We have changed the worlds climate, singlehandedly.

Least we can be happy about that when we are freezing in winter,

@"DavecUK"#p48991 According to the [Met Office ](https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about-us/press-office/news/weather-and-climate/2023/fingerprints-of-climate-change-on-june-temperature-records)and [NASA, ](https://climate.nasa.gov/news/3276/nasa-finds-june-2023-hottest-on-record/#:~:text=June%202023%20was%20the%20hottest,on%20ships%20and%20ocean%20buoys.)June 2023 looks like being the hottest on record. But I'd advise caution rather than just accepting that as fact; my mates aunty Margaret and some of her friends on the internet say that is BS and the weather is just normal - they all seem to have done their homework too, so they probably know just as much as NASA and the Met Office. I don't know who to believe, it's all so complicated.

Autumn coming early.

Pompeyexile

I suppose if what they said a few weeks ago in that our June was the hottest on record was true, that means summer came early. So, makes sense that all the other seasons have been pushed forward too. By this rate we will be having Christmas in September!😁

DavecUK

Pompeyexile that our June was the hottest on record was true,

I do find that hard to believe??

Gagaryn

DavecUK According to the Met Office and NASA, June 2023 looks like being the hottest on record.

But I’d advise caution rather than just accepting that as fact; my mates aunty Margaret and some of her friends on the internet say that is BS and the weather is just normal - they all seem to have done their homework too, so they probably know just as much as NASA and the Met Office.

I don’t know who to believe, it’s all so complicated.

dfk41

Cuprajake If Europe is suffering a heatwave, then why are we not? I mean, climate change cannot vary from year to year. The damage is either done or it is not…..unless of course it is a made up figment of a collective imagination to hide the real truth about extortion and world domination….ooppss, there I go again!

Cuprajake

can you find a daily temp data, im struggling, only thing i found was showing the hottest days from 2000,

https://www.weather.gov/maf/cli_maf_temp_june

any data can be used to prove anything, and its an average,

DavecUK

Cuprajake any data can be used to prove anything, and its an average,

This is the same problem I had…a few freak days can skew the whole month. I know for a fact this summer is not as hot as last summer, because I have not required the aircon in the loft at all this year!!

Snikom

Cuprajake

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/historic-station-data

There you go, all the data you could ever want :)

Cuprajake

And tbh COVID lock down was sweltering, I’ve only mowed my lawn twice this yr too

Amberale

Our Manchurian Pears have started to bloom, normally they come out just in time for my birthday in late August.
This has been our driest start to winter in the fifteen years we have been here.
The apple trees haven’t dropped their leaves.

DavecUK

Snikom not very usable…

Snikom

DavecUK

It’s raw data it couldn’t be more usable, but yes you would have to stick in a spreadsheet or similar.

DavecUK

Snikom It’s raw data it couldn’t be more usable, but yes you would have to stick in a spreadsheet or similar.

Sure but you know what I mean. If reports of hottest June were actually supplied with some qualifying statement, things would be far better for the ordinary person who doesn’t want to load and process a load of raw data into excel…which they don’t make easy.

There are two ways to obfuscate, either provide little or no data, that’s deceptive, or to overwhelm with raw data.

I know for a fact I’ve not needed the aircon at all so far this year….which means it’s considerably cooler than last year.

Snikom

DavecUK

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about-us/press-office/news/weather-and-climate/2023/hottest-june-on-record

With graphs and explanation should you wish it

Snikom

But they did report it and reputable scientists have confirmed this. You and others in this thread have implied you don’t believe that, so your options are look at raw data or to talk about feelings and personal anecdotes which is poor data.

Someone asked where they could find the historic temperatures and I supplied that information for UK weather stations.

Cuprajake

Because the reputable scientist did so well last time we trusted them…..oh wait there all resigning now….

Anyway I can see the way this tread is going so I’m hoping out

There’s way to much for and against climate change, we knew this was the next big thing after covid, and then digital currency. New world order all,

Peace out, And may the odds be ever in your favour

Snikom

Cuprajake

I didnt even realise you were down the rabbit hole, if I had I wouldnt have bothered posting. I was merely following up what I believed (clearly in error) to be a genuine enquiry. My apologies for taking your request at facevalue

Cuprajake

Nope take everything with a pinch of salt, but I certainly don’t take everything our government and media say at face value, Joe public certainly ain’t Thier first priority that’s for sure.

I was never a cynic but these last few yrs have been pretty mental

Before Brexit, we had a complete woof bark come in work, full on lizards walking among us, cloud seeding etc so I asked him if the powers that be would lenus Brexit, which I didn’t think would happen

His reply.

Yeah we will leave, they will segregate us as an island, then they will push the public to depression and breaking point and then ww3 will happen,

eerie indiana but so far he’s 2 for 2….

For me personally as the little work bee I am, theres pretty much nothing I can do to change or afford to change that will impact the environment, I don’t fly, do 5k per yr in my car, don’t eat meat lol oh and I recycle. 😂

I say all this, while it’s currently pouring down and is 16 degrees. It’s actually rained all week haha

Snikom

Cuprajake

I am not being obtuse but I am going to withdraw from the conversation as unforrtunately I know from past experience that such discussions have very little value once views are entrenched.

Cuprajake

Snikom

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dfk41

Such discussions should continue. We are all pals on this forum ad there is no reason why we cannot have a passionate discussion encompassing all sides of the debate. Nobody will ever be proved right or wrong so where is the harm? So far, I do not think many of the climate claims for the future have stacked up or happened, but if we wait ,long enough, one of the pigeons must come home! Not much talk of the 40 degree day this year. Why? The same runways exist with the same amount of jet traffic, but this summer despite the claim, is nowhere near as hot as last summer. I too, have full air con in my bungalow. There were many days and nights last year, that we would have traded anything for air con. This year, having it, I have not had to use it once. that might not be scientific, but it is the accurate truth

Gagaryn

dfk41 Thanks for this, we need you to provide us with the accurate truth. Just wish all these Europeans would stop complaining that it is too hot. They had a few Italians on the telly earlier claiming it was well into the 40’s where they were and getting hotter, and a few Spaniards and French claiming the same. Glad to hear that this is just more made up nonsense and it’s actually cooler than last year.