On a local walk around today I was quite surprised to see blackberries already ripe and hazelnuts formed and some dropping off. Anyone else seen signs of early autumn ??

@"Cuprajake"#p48962 I foraged sone nice strawberries at Sainsbury today!

@"DavecUK"#p48991 According to the [Met Office ](https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about-us/press-office/news/weather-and-climate/2023/fingerprints-of-climate-change-on-june-temperature-records)and [NASA, ](https://climate.nasa.gov/news/3276/nasa-finds-june-2023-hottest-on-record/#:~:text=June%202023%20was%20the%20hottest,on%20ships%20and%20ocean%20buoys.)June 2023 looks like being the hottest on record. But I'd advise caution rather than just accepting that as fact; my mates aunty Margaret and some of her friends on the internet say that is BS and the weather is just normal - they all seem to have done their homework too, so they probably know just as much as NASA and the Met Office. I don't know who to believe, it's all so complicated.

Autumn coming early.

DavecUK

Elcarajillo Anyone else seen signs of early autumn ??

I think this summer might be set to be a short one…it’s certainly not been as warm as usual. Perhaps the fight against global warming is working?

dfk41

DavecUK Thats a possible answer Dave, but so is the eco loons only have something to bleat on about when heat events like last summer happen. If last summer was down to climate change, what is their explanation for this year?

Cuprajake

Rest of the world is having a heat wave by all accounts, luckily with the UK pushing forward with net zero, were cool, I mean none of us can afford to use electric, cars, etc those of us with mortgages are currently paying that and eating our lawns and said berries above we have foraged

dfk41

Cuprajake I foraged sone nice strawberries at Sainsbury today!

DavecUK

Cuprajake , luckily with the UK pushing forward with net zero, were cool, I

We have changed the worlds climate, singlehandedly.

dfk41

Cuprajake If Europe is suffering a heatwave, then why are we not? I mean, climate change cannot vary from year to year. The damage is either done or it is not…..unless of course it is a made up figment of a collective imagination to hide the real truth about extortion and world domination….ooppss, there I go again!

Cuprajake

Least we can be happy about that when we are freezing in winter,

Pompeyexile

I suppose if what they said a few weeks ago in that our June was the hottest on record was true, that means summer came early. So, makes sense that all the other seasons have been pushed forward too. By this rate we will be having Christmas in September!😁

DavecUK

Pompeyexile that our June was the hottest on record was true,

I do find that hard to believe??

Gagaryn

DavecUK According to the Met Office and NASA, June 2023 looks like being the hottest on record.

But I’d advise caution rather than just accepting that as fact; my mates aunty Margaret and some of her friends on the internet say that is BS and the weather is just normal - they all seem to have done their homework too, so they probably know just as much as NASA and the Met Office.

I don’t know who to believe, it’s all so complicated.

Cuprajake

can you find a daily temp data, im struggling, only thing i found was showing the hottest days from 2000,

https://www.weather.gov/maf/cli_maf_temp_june

any data can be used to prove anything, and its an average,

DavecUK

Cuprajake any data can be used to prove anything, and its an average,

This is the same problem I had…a few freak days can skew the whole month. I know for a fact this summer is not as hot as last summer, because I have not required the aircon in the loft at all this year!!

Snikom

Cuprajake

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/historic-station-data

There you go, all the data you could ever want :)

Cuprajake

And tbh COVID lock down was sweltering, I’ve only mowed my lawn twice this yr too

Amberale

Our Manchurian Pears have started to bloom, normally they come out just in time for my birthday in late August.
This has been our driest start to winter in the fifteen years we have been here.
The apple trees haven’t dropped their leaves.

DavecUK

Snikom not very usable…

Snikom

DavecUK

It’s raw data it couldn’t be more usable, but yes you would have to stick in a spreadsheet or similar.

DavecUK

Snikom It’s raw data it couldn’t be more usable, but yes you would have to stick in a spreadsheet or similar.

Sure but you know what I mean. If reports of hottest June were actually supplied with some qualifying statement, things would be far better for the ordinary person who doesn’t want to load and process a load of raw data into excel…which they don’t make easy.

There are two ways to obfuscate, either provide little or no data, that’s deceptive, or to overwhelm with raw data.

I know for a fact I’ve not needed the aircon at all so far this year….which means it’s considerably cooler than last year.

Snikom

DavecUK

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about-us/press-office/news/weather-and-climate/2023/hottest-june-on-record

With graphs and explanation should you wish it

Snikom

But they did report it and reputable scientists have confirmed this. You and others in this thread have implied you don’t believe that, so your options are look at raw data or to talk about feelings and personal anecdotes which is poor data.

Someone asked where they could find the historic temperatures and I supplied that information for UK weather stations.

Cuprajake

Because the reputable scientist did so well last time we trusted them…..oh wait there all resigning now….

Anyway I can see the way this tread is going so I’m hoping out

There’s way to much for and against climate change, we knew this was the next big thing after covid, and then digital currency. New world order all,

Peace out, And may the odds be ever in your favour

Snikom

Cuprajake

I didnt even realise you were down the rabbit hole, if I had I wouldnt have bothered posting. I was merely following up what I believed (clearly in error) to be a genuine enquiry. My apologies for taking your request at facevalue