Niche Duo - problems or bias?

DavecUK Just to correct some speculation.

The motors don’t cost $5, they are more.
Normal practice is not custom wound (and other customisations), people generally take what is the standard motors and gear it to suit, or get close to their requirements.
I believe they work closely with1 supplier to ensure quality and specification. None of the motors for Niche are dumped on Aliexpress, or available to anyone but Niche.

A lot of generally and believes in that, sounds like you are correcting speculation with more speculation :-).

I’m not questioning the quality of the motors - I never have! But I’m afraid the claim that Niche are doing something unique or special by having motors built to their specifications just isn’t correct - contrary to your claim, that is normal manufacturing practice and there are dozens of suppliers in China (and elsewhere) geared up and ready to build motors to whatever specification the customer demands - it’s exactly their business model and motor manufacturing is a huge market. Minimum order quantities with many of these suppliers is magnitudes smaller than Niche will be ordering - for both modified catalogue parts and blueprint builds.

Anyway - I’m out now ahead of the inevitable pile on and claims that I’m an idiot and don’t know what I’m talking about as wasn’t party to design process etc. etc.

DavecUK - Dave, quick question:

This thread/post: https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/d/2246-simple-niche-modifications/34, the member says Niche has confirmed that’s the motor used. It refers to a post mentioned earlier on on that thread, with the specification of the motor and the manufacturer/seller contact details for orders. In that specific post, it has a picture of the motor (here for convenience)

So it might be that anyone can order the motor if they want to? But it might not be for the correct Niche spec?

Personally, don’t really care about cost of the motor, who makes it, whether it costs £5 or £50 and all the politics behind it. Just wanted bring this to the foreground as this has now turned into a motor discussion.

Gagaryn I. do not think you are an idiot, or that you do not know what you are talking about either. But, I do think you are applying general engineering principles to a specialist coffee product.

dfk41 But, I do think you are applying general engineering principles to a specialist coffee product.

I am. Because they are 100% applicable. Specialist coffee products are not magical.

Gagaryn Have you wondered why Dave has not weighed in? He could……he could tell you things that you are simply not aware of……not every aspect of design is shown on the table top for all to see……but, I am not going to convince you since you want to see data and I cannot supply that……and I doubt Dave will!

dfk41 I do

dfk41 Have you wondered why Dave has not weighed in?

I’ve wondered why you haven’t noticed that he has.

dfk41 he could tell you things that you are simply not aware of

No doubt :-)

dfk41 I am not going to convince you since you want to see data

Do I? What data do I want to see? You seem to know what I want better than I know what I want. :-)

I just clarified some points.. within what I can/want to say

Ohhh juicy 😎not sure if I’m right or wrong, wasn’t the motor winding a specific problem and it got resolved, could wrong 😂

lyxotte Sorry, I missed this. I have been playing with the Caravel recently and have decided to keep it for the moment. Good luck with finding one!

JammyDodger

I had initially supported on this forum for the duo to be available in uno form when it first came out and was glad when niche relented as it is always good for the consumers for more reasonably affordable grinders to be available in the larger burr sizes. I have no doubt it will do the job as a flat burr single dosing grinder as well as the zero has for conical grinders.

Personally I have not been interested so much in the grinder as i prefer to use mostly light roast beans and I understand that the mazzer burrs the niche comes in are optimised for darker roasts beans. In addition I already have grinders equipped with SSP burrs in 64mm and I understand that there isn’t much tangible upgrade gain from 64mm to 83mm to bother with getting 83mm grinder as well. If I were an exclusively traditional espresso fan and if I did not already have flat burr grinders, the niche duo in uno configuration would certainly be one of the candidates for consideration.

fwiw theres not too much difference between the ssp hu 83mm and th mazzer 83mm burrs ive had both

Cuprajake Doesn’t the SSP HU give a brighter cup than the Mazzer?

i dont personally understand the casts,

people buy light roast for the acidity then buy a burr that mutes it, the casts seem to a really wird burr

the ssp hu give a bit more acitdity and sweetness, but you need them side by side,

but dont let me tell you that, they have to sell the burrs,……i mean after spending nearly £350 on a set, there wasnt £350 worth of difference

Cuprajake

I have no experience of the 83mm ssp burrs, any of them. However i have the ssp mp and cast for 64mm, and my favourite is the ssp cast lab sweet burrs in 64mm. The mp burrs are more differented in flavour separation but the cast burrs are just more balanced and sweet while maintaining a healthy flavour separation. But everyone will have different mileage here I am sure.

chlorox which I understand from the forums to be no5 the mazzer burrs’ forte since it really is tailored for a traditional dark roast Italian type espresso which i have moved away mostly from.

That is nonsense, in my humble. People on forums are presuming an Italian made grinder popular in Italy is made for the type of beans favourable within the country…..there are some big leaps there matey. Has anyone ever told you not to believe everything you see on the internet?