Niche Duo - problems or bias?
dfk41 Have you wondered why Dave has not weighed in?
I’ve wondered why you haven’t noticed that he has.
dfk41 he could tell you things that you are simply not aware of
No doubt :-)
dfk41 I am not going to convince you since you want to see data
Do I? What data do I want to see? You seem to know what I want better than I know what I want. :-)
Ohhh juicy 😎not sure if I’m right or wrong, wasn’t the motor winding a specific problem and it got resolved, could wrong 😂
Jony Ohhh juicy 😎not sure if I’m right or wrong, wasn’t the motor winding a specific problem and it got resolved, could wrong 😂
No not really, that was all bottomed out well before the launch of any Niche grinders. They take reliability incredibly seriously.
lyxotte Sorry, I missed this. I have been playing with the Caravel recently and have decided to keep it for the moment. Good luck with finding one!
I had initially supported on this forum for the duo to be available in uno form when it first came out and was glad when niche relented as it is always good for the consumers for more reasonably affordable grinders to be available in the larger burr sizes. I have no doubt it will do the job as a flat burr single dosing grinder as well as the zero has for conical grinders.
Personally I have not been interested so much in the grinder as i prefer to use mostly light roast beans and I understand that the mazzer burrs the niche comes in are optimised for darker roasts beans. In addition I already have grinders equipped with SSP burrs in 64mm and I understand that there isn’t much tangible upgrade gain from 64mm to 83mm to bother with getting 83mm grinder as well. If I were an exclusively traditional espresso fan and if I did not already have flat burr grinders, the niche duo in uno configuration would certainly be one of the candidates for consideration.
fwiw theres not too much difference between the ssp hu 83mm and th mazzer 83mm burrs ive had both
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I have read that the HU burrs seem more tailored to a traditional espresso type so I wouldn’t be surprised at that finding by some… Had I a 83mm grinder, I would have been more interested in the MP or cast burrs by ssp given my own preference for lighter roast beans, which I understand from the forums to be no5 the mazzer burrs’ forte since it really is tailored for a traditional dark roast Italian type espresso which i have moved away mostly from.
i dont personally understand the casts,
people buy light roast for the acidity then buy a burr that mutes it, the casts seem to a really wird burr
the ssp hu give a bit more acitdity and sweetness, but you need them side by side,
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but dont let me tell you that, they have to sell the burrs,……i mean after spending nearly £350 on a set, there wasnt £350 worth of difference
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I have no experience of the 83mm ssp burrs, any of them. However i have the ssp mp and cast for 64mm, and my favourite is the ssp cast lab sweet burrs in 64mm. The mp burrs are more differented in flavour separation but the cast burrs are just more balanced and sweet while maintaining a healthy flavour separation. But everyone will have different mileage here I am sure.
chlorox which I understand from the forums to be no5 the mazzer burrs’ forte since it really is tailored for a traditional dark roast Italian type espresso which i have moved away mostly from.
That is nonsense, in my humble. People on forums are presuming an Italian made grinder popular in Italy is made for the type of beans favourable within the country…..there are some big leaps there matey. Has anyone ever told you not to believe everything you see on the internet?
id love to be in a position to blind taste all these burrs back to back, as burrs are only one part of the whole,
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chlorox If that be the case, how do you jump to all other Mazzer burrs must be made for Italian style roasts? Frankly, I do not accept that there are as many super tasters around as folks claim.
LMSC Doesn’t the SSP HU give a brighter cup than the Mazzer?
Not really…the Mazzer burrs are fine with light or dark roasts and are perhaps not as “one dimensional” as the SSPs. I don’t know really where all this Mazzer burrs perform best with dark roasts comes from….and the proper evidence supporting that. I have not noticed much difference between SSP HU burrs and the 151B mazzers with light roasts. Sure it’s a little different, but no way £300 better. It’s also not consistent…with some light roast coffees Mazzer can be a little better, with others SSP can be a little better.
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DavecUK SSP HU burrs and the 151B mazzers with light roasts. Sure it’s a little different, but no way £300 better.
That £300 would fund an electric for my daughter. I know it is difficult to justify with dr’s salary! 😊
DavecUK with some light roast coffees Mazzer can be a little better, with others SSP can be a little better.
I believe you have been testing the SSP’s. Are you able to share examples of SO’s where Mazzers and SSPs could be better please?
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FWIW, my opinion, my taste buds, etc: the stock Mazzer 151B burrs in the Duo offer an espresso that is enjoyable and is unlikely to offend anyone. Silky smooth, balanced, nuanced. Conservative, mainstream, dependable and quite forgiving when dialling in.
The SSP Espresso (HU) offer a much brighter/acidic, more intense espresso with light and ultra light beans. And it will have its lovers and its haters (“if I wanted to taste lemon I’d drink lemonade”). Add a narrower sweet spot range so a bit more faff dialling in.
The 64mm SSP Espresso delivers the same as the 83mm version. Lance and James might be able to tell the difference but I can’t.