BrendaninBrooklyn
What welfare check??? Bankruptcy isn’t a welfare payment - it is statutory protection from creditors…
The Petition - for another general election
BrendaninBrooklyn
Brendan, winning the election itself is a mandate to govern according to what one promised during the election! And as a matter of fact according to recent history of results, it is not slim at all relative to recent elections.
No insult intended. We’ve never met; never actually spoken; had a few minimal posting interactions here. I do not know you. End of story. You shouldn’t read into things without inquiring first. For the record I think you are wrong but I do not think you are a dope.
Someone else picks up that tab – whether they want to or not. Sounds like welfare to me.
I think you sincerely believe what you write. I have very strong reason to believe otherwise. In this instance, I sincerely hope I am wrong. Time will tell.
In January 2026 with one year of the new regime, I’ll be happy to discuss at least briefly, the reality that has occurred by then. Neither of us will convince the other now, so let history do so.
As for the rest, my private thoughts are not for public forums. If we get to actually know each other directly, I may be happy to discuss them with you.
BrendaninBrooklyn
NASA was set up in 1958 during a republican president’s term so not sure why u attribute it to the dems.
The biggest tax cuts were by reagan and bush - Obama merely extended the bush tax cuts.
The president council.on youth fitness that was the predecessor council was founded again by a republican president in 1956
As a matter of fact the 19th amendment that gave women the right to vote was introduced by a republican senator james mann…
On child labor laws, the first politicians to campaign for a national law to ban child labor was Alfred Beveridge a republican …
Instititng unemployment benefits legislatuon is hardly a feather in the cap to boast about.
Medicare has not been a success - medical care is th3 most expensive to provide in usa but yet the us provides the poorest medical support among Indistrialsied nations by far
The civil rights act was bipartisan in support.
The sec was created as result of the stock market crash of 1928 and was bi partisan in nature so why are u giving the credit to the dems?
It happened to be a democrat president in power at the end of ww2 but thr Marshall plan and nato had wide bi partisan support so don’t give the credit to the dems.
Welfare is when public money is disbursed to those who aren’t working. Bankruptcy shields debtors from being permanently insolvent and replaced the previous situation of debtors prisons…
If u dont want to share your opinions on politics, you sure have shared a lot of political opinions already above!
Anyway whatever the case, try to give the new administration a chance rather than read the democrat propaganda that is being churned out constantly by the media. The present is already so bad that you may as well…
So how many are appropriate? you have no problem with four, although that meant many people were stuck with it and likely many got hurt, what is your acceptable ceiling on bankruptcies – especially triple-million figure bankruptcies?
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A correction or two – largest tax cut was by JFK; NASA was a tiny nothing, JFK made it a major priority. We could argue the others buy why? Medicare is everything you say however it is better than nothing – although not by much.
You are mis-reading me. I’m happy to share some, not all, publicly. Thought that was clear.
And you as well – watch the reality not the rhetoric and perhaps we shall amicably compare notes down the road.
dfk41 Not everything a party does is in a manifesto. It isn’t possible to say everything they will do. The key is to not break manifesto pledges, which they haven’t. The petition and promotion of it in our media is an attack on our democracy. The idea we can force an election a few months after we’ve just had one because people don’t like facing reality is absurd. The fact it’s being promoted by mainstream media and opposing politicians is a sign of the idiocracy we live in. All of the existing problems this country currently faces are entirely the result of the previous government burying problems in the sand and pushing them further downstream. Now people need to face the reality of what this country is and the position it’s in, and they don’t like it.
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Rob1 The petition and promotion of it in our media is an attack on our democracy.
I don’t disagree with what you say except for this. I don’t believe we have proper democracy in this country. This starts with the basic electoral system, which allows the few who get votes to have sway over the many. All due to our particular electoral system.
Democracy is a form of government where the people hold the power and have a say in how the country is run. The word democracy comes from the Greek words demos, meaning people, and kratos, meaning power.
Here are some characteristics of democracy:
Free elections: People elect their government through competitive elections.
Civil liberties: Democracies protect civil liberties and human rights.
Equality: Democracies promote equality of rights for all people, including women.
Accountability: People can hold decision-makers accountable.
Democracy is not the same as autocracy, dictatorship, or oligarchy, where one person or a small group of people rule.
Rob1 Hiya, I did not really believe in the points that you made Rob. Labour did not really win the election in the truest sense of the word. They lost by the smallest amount! Of course there is no mechanism to remove them. I took the point of the petition, to allow people to register their discontent rather than anything else. I am not trying to make any political pointers s, but I am fairly confident in saying that Labour are barely covering themselves in glory. Still, we have them for the best part of 5 years so have to accept that. Labour might have an enormous majority, but that is more to do with few people bothering to vote and there being no viable alternate at July 2024.
Politics around the world is really rotten!
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Really disappointed that this post exists tbh.
Better that we just stick to coffee imho and I don’t believe it was ever about the lively nature of a petition.
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No, your point doesn’t stand at all as I have already said.
Firstly woke obsessed leftist is not an insult or slur. It is a statement of fact. I have already said that to those on the so called progressive left, they would likely agree with that description or at least agree that it is at least partially correct even if they consider themselves not leftist as to them that will suggest they are more far left than what they themselves think they are. That today’s left is obsessed with woke politics is beyond dispute as woke ideology permeates everything from taking a knee before soccer matches due to BLM, to DEI departments in most large companies, to forcing others to use gender pronouns of one’s choice, etc etc.
I have already illustrated my point that by contrast, calling aomeone “loony left” is a pure slur. In the same way “Gammon” is a pure insult and slur but calling someone a right wing leaning is a statement of fact. An analogy of this is calling someone a communist in ideology is a statement of fact but calling someone “pink commie filth” is a slur or insult. It’s interesting that you continue to try to justify the unjustifiable nonetheless.
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Many of today’s problems were caused by the tories but labour’s moves have already been in the wrong direction and shows they have learned nothing form.the tories’ catastrophic tenure but seem determined to top it in bringing more ruination on the country.
On calling the petition “anti democratic”, that term is one that has been weaponised in the interests of achieving the elites’ malevolent agenda more times than not. For instance the mainstream media and the democrat party called trump an existential threat to democracy despite the dems themselves proving time and again they are the real threat to democracy in practising mass population rigging by actively allowing millions of ilegal immigrants to enter to trybto turn them into democrat voting citizens later, and actively and systematically suppressing dissent, censoring and punishing those who express different viewpoints with imprisonment, fines and damages form lawsuits and despite trump’s own first 4 year term.showing no impingement by him.on the liberties of the people.
The mass media has also turned a blind eye to truly anti democratic actions while using that term to pillory those the disagree with ideologically. For instance yanukovyich the prime minister of Ukraine who was democratically elected was toppled from power by mass street demonstrations and protests and replaced by a pro Europe leaning replacement. The western media called it the revolution of dignity. You can always trust the deep state propaganda arm to spin it their way but it is clearly an anti democratic action that actually forced a democratically elected government from power. It was in fact a coup and there is even evidence that the cia and us government had a major hand in instigating the protests and using it to force him from power and replacing him with an candidate of their choice. Victoria Nuland and the then us ambassador Geoff pyatt were tape recorded having a discussion on the phone that shows this involvement and the recording is available on line and has never been disputed as to its authenticity by the Americans.
In this case u have a mere petition of people calling for a fresh election. Nothing will come out of it - you don’t have a nuland and pyatt to engineer a coup out of it. But what is useful from this Petition- and what I drew attention towards rather - is the high degree of disaffected and frustration with Labour even this early in their term. To me, it shows that not only is Labour having bad ideas in government, but many people know it fully well in the UK and are angry about it. That signals opportunity for the reform party for the next election but only if they build themselves up to be ready for it.