Not sure how good these machines are or how much love they get but been having a flick through Facebook and came across this if anyone was interested [URL=https://i.imgur.com/xgejQHr.jpeg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/xgejQHr.jpeg[/IMG][/URL]

hes in the lever group on fb from memory, theres vids there too

Do love the look of the machine but had no experience with levas.

fwiw its near the price of a new evo from memory and a new decent and a lm micra and a londinium lr24 so id not be paying that,

esp on bf [URL=https://i.imgur.com/mW0NhEX.png][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/mW0NhEX.png[/IMG][/URL]

@"Cuprajake"#p73690 where is bf? Seems that LM have stopped their black Friday prices. Looking for a used Mini rather than a new Micra, all depends what's available when my rebate drops haha

@"Cuprajake"#p73689 A linea isn't comparable to a hybrid lever in just about everything though and while a decent is super programmable, it offers the polar opposite in philosophy to a lever. The closest parallel is the evo which is also a hybrid lever but even the evo is quite different in its workflow and UI. I dont know who this seller is and i have no connection with the seller but the price of this unit seems to be about GBP1300 or thereabouts cheaper than a new nurri that has comparable specs? If so that is almost 30 per cent less than a new one so it doesn't seem too bad a deal if ut is still in good condition.

@"Jason1wood"#p73688 Begore i replaced it with a nurri a couple of years ago, I bought an izzo lever many years sight unseen without ever having actually used a lever before in person but from the get go, it was easy and straight forward to use. Having used levers, pump machines have had very little appeal to me ever since. So dont worry about never having used levers before, you should take to it like a duck to water. Despite its many capabilities, the nurri is at the heart of it still a spring lever machine with all the simplicity that entails, and eveb it's advanced functions are intuitive to use.

Just pointing out you can buy various brand new machines for the price of that used nurri Wasn't comparing any of them

If I want a used lever, I will look around for a used Evo 1. Terrific value for money as you may get it at a bit less than a half of that listed price. If new, I will get a Vostok or a Decent or an LM, if budget is not an issue. I have an Evo 1.

Nurri on FB

chlorox

HarveyMushman

Thr decent has such unrivalled capabilities for the tinkerer that it is in a class of its own but it looks and feels and sounds to me ike a PC with a touchscreen and a 1980s era dot matrix printer that has been modified to make coffee. To me, it just doesn’t offer what an ideal coffee making experience ought to be like. So while I respect and recognise what it can do and think that it will suit many people out there, it’s not for me and a spring lever is what moves me a lot more. Perhaps one day I will buy a strietman to see if the direct lever also appeals to me.

chlorox

dfk41

Every product contains a substantial mark up and that’s why the seller is making and selling the product after all. They have to pay their overheads and make it worth their while in terms of profit. Now if their price is higher thna what the market is prepared to pay for it, then they would have to recalibrate. Otherwise if there are enough customers who still buy the product at that price then it’s the right price. So it seems to me decent are perfectly entitled to do what they r doing and they seem to have a more than healthy customer base.

While I am not in its target market, I am glad that a product like the decent exists and it makes the overall coffee industry better for everybody else including the customers.

Raja123

Jason1wood I’d stick with your original choice, especially if you’re into traditional espresso. At the risk of controversy, the way the DE1 extracts (partly due to its slow fill rate) can make most shots fairly average in flavor profile.

That’s partly the reason I didn’t list it here: I’d rather it goes to someone who enjoys messing around with the machine, or hasn’t yet formed an opinion of what they want. It’s good for experimenting and building up some knowledge of shot styles, and their impact. Ultimately, my take is that it’s very much a third-wave machine. And even in that arena, I can pull better shots (for my tastes) consistently, manually.

Cuprajake

Don’t personally agree with that, but each to their own

Raja123

Cuprajake Having two machines side by side and being able to a/b them over two years does help one form an opinion.

Adrianmsmith

Cuprajake

@Raja123

I am not sure Raja You can really compare the two in the way that you do and especially using it to try to give advice to someone who is looking to purchase a new machine.

Doesn’t take a lot of reading to work out, I am one of the number one fans of ACS and due to a different user experience I also favour ACS more than Jake 🤐🥰🤪 currently .

BUT

As I like all things, electrical and mechanical I cannot pretend the decent does not also intrigue me and if my wife had a slightly different view of the decent I would have both by now, especially considering the 20% off they currently have on display models!!

@Jason1wood

As for your wife using it, I do not understand why she would not.

Do not get confused by the comments above by Raj about the Strietman as this is about as similar to an EVO 2 as the decent is!

Yes it is a lever but also Ferrari dino and ford escot are both cars

No, I am not about to pull down the Strietman If I had a spare room and the money. I would love to have a play with one but if you are looking for one from home the Evo 2 is far simpler to use and gives very good consistent results and I do not understand why people think there is an issue for the wife using it.

My wife originally would not use it and everyone who sees it says how complicated it “looks” but once they actually try it they agree it is not complicated and wonder what the fuss was all about.

Raja123

Adrianmsmith I understand that. Im just trying to save myself the typing of the comparison points (it boils down to how the shots taste and what the preferences are). I know how to adjust things to make things relevant for a comparison (my line of work is in the field of technical analysis). What I am mindful of is that people need to go on their own journey and work things out for themselves.

I have no vested interest in the outcome (hence my advice not to worry too much about the parameters of the Decent vs the overall max quality of the shots it produces, even though Im selling one!). Just sharing what I found and some of why Im moving the machine on.

Cuprajake

it boils down to what you want,

the decent thats being sold has that much gear with it, you have imo way to many options lol, there like 45 baskets ;)

i dont think its fair to come pare the two anyways as they are totally different animals in my mind, and as above depends on your end goals and what you water as a user experience etc. there is no right or wrong or better machine in this instance.

Raja123

That’s because I like to explore everything before I dismiss it outright. But that’s just me.

dfk41

I am one of the few here not to recommend to Jason a machine. My advice to him, is not to listen too much to other peoples opinions (including mine!). Sure, do research of whatever sort you can, set a budget, decide if it is new or used. If new, go down to BB for a pre-arranged visit telling them the 2 machines you want a closer look at and they will set them up side by side for you to have a play. It is only Northampton and for the sake of 3 ½ hours travel you will be able to make sure.

The Decent, you have an owner giving one bit of advice backed by two years experience followed by another owner not agreeing!

For clarity Jason and I go way back. I sold him his Mythos many moons ago. Jason is coming to see me on Saturday for a coffee and a chat. Yes he can have a play on the Evo but I will not be swaying him on it. When I was working people paid me handsomely to give them advice and because of that, I understand the implications involved. Now, the elephant in the room of course will be Jason turning up with a brown bag stuffed full of cash, but I do not think that will happen somehow!

Adrianmsmith

dfk41 My advice to him, is not to listen too much to other peoples opinions (including mine!).

Nah, just let ( convince ) him buy the Evo 🤪😎

P.S. is the evo ready for its first clean and lube yet. ☕

Raja123

Adrianmsmith ACS and a Niche would make someone happy here, heh.

Jason1wood

Raja123 thanks for that advice. Yeah ill be swerving the Decent, but thanks for honest opinion, much appreciated 👏

Yeah off the Davids at the weekend to have my first go at a lever, looking forward to it.

Depends on what machine I get and how much it costs, hopefully will be pairing with a Philos and moving on my beautiful Mythos as do defo need single dosing. That’s my choice of grinder so no need to go down that rabbit hole 🤣🤣🤣

Cuprajake

people generally recommend what they have,

dpends on budget, up to 2k the bianca is the best bang for buck,

id recommend a used evo 1 - not a new evo2 but be prepared to repair it yourself,

once budget goes higher, then you have way more options and you need to consider whats important for you, they all make good coffee….

thats my bit.

Raja123

Jason1wood yes that was the goal, to give you some contrast. You need to go on your own journey, really.

Adrianmsmith

Jason1wood

If its a Philos you want i may know where there is one if you don’t want new, with both burrs!! Will drop it in the classified once i decide. Duo or Philos will be for my wifes Decaf . Still 50 50 at this time which will be fie sale.

Haven’t seen the monstrosity of the north this year 🥰 (thats not a reference to David either) if it needed delivering .

Jason1wood

Adrianmsmith I’m in. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

chlorox

Ultimately the best thing to do is usually to buy that machine which catches your imagination. Which is the one your heart really wants to have on your kitchen counter and to use every day?

Adrianmsmith

Jason1wood

Let me know Saturday when you leave David (sobbing as you load the Evo) and will call over on Sunday 🤐 @dfk41

Jason1wood

Adrianmsmith I won’t be taking his pride and joy. Be interesting to see it in action but I now know where my money is going after all the advice here. 👌

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