Jason1wood

The good thing with the LM is they seem to hold their value and generally appeal to a larger group of people than many lever machines initially do. If at any time you want to move it on, you likely won’t have too much of an issue unless it’s in bad condition.

It’s good you did some research and know some of the trade offs. I went for an acs even though I’ve read a few of the pains people went through. That’s mainly because I routinely deal with electronics and diy, so am willing to repair stuff if I have to. That experience isn’t for everyone, though, which is why people move on to something else.

Given your desire and requirements, I can’t see anything inherently wrong with trying an LM. Keep us informed of how you get on.

    Raja123 The good thing with the LM is they seem to hold their value and generally appeal to a larger group of people than many lever machines initially do. If at any time you want to move it on, you likely won’t have too much of an issue unless it’s in bad condition.

    This is absolutely true.

    Great advice there gents.

    Oh just followed that Strietman link 😍😍😍wow.

    Have plenty to think about but what @HarveyMushman mentions about quick repeatable easy prep and espresso is what I’m after rather than chasing a ‘godshot’

      Fwiw when I moved from the Bianca to the Evo leva my Mrs stopped using it,

      When I got the decent she started again.

      Make of that what you will

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        Jason1wood I have the Strietman. I prefer the shots I get from it to the Decent. The two machines are pretty much on opposite ends of the spectrum. The tactile response of pulling a shot, and the 49mm group lend to an experience that i look forward to every day even after a couple of years of ownership. It’s difficult to pull a bad shot with the Strietman, but it takes time to learn how to make consistently great shots with it. I wouldn’t say it’s for everyone - even once you learn how to use it well, there’s an inherent focus required. I enjoy the overall process, but there are times I have to dial into meetings, and if I want to make a shot during that period, it can be better for me to use a more automated machine.

        Decent is being sold now, to make way for the Vostok, which I’ll use when I need to be a bit less involved with the brewing process, or just to compare how the coffee I roast at home brews on each machine.

        Depends, not everyone wants that feeling,

        Esp if it’s not a sprung lever. I’ve not looked

        I’d like something like that or cremina or ponte vecci but Mrs wouldn’t touch it

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        Ffs lads, just watched videos of the decent and looks a great bit of kit also.

        I need to calm down here and just pick…….🤣🤣🤣

        @Raja123 you selling your Decent? What one is it??

          His has loads with it, if you didn’t want all the bits you’d get a good chunk back on eBay for them

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          I’d have a Decent if I was looking for a profiling machine. Someone posted a vid here a while back showing a transparent case version and it looked great.

          Whilst there’s limitless possibilities for faffing, it also offers the one-button simplicity if you want it.

          Also the size is great, nice compact machine.

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          Ikawa Roaster

            dfk41 I wonder why it uses a Vibe pump when there are so many other options?

            It’s not ideal, I don’t miss the sound of a vibe pump.

            Unless I’m mistaken I don’t think you can use a rotary in the way the Decent works where flow is controlled at the pump. Maybe a gear pump would work but not sure how large they are.

            I might be totally wrong though.

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            Ikawa Roaster

            Way the decent works it needs the vibe pumps for the accuracy, they are cheaper but just as robust, decent have two machines running constantly in the factory iirc they are on 200,000 shots a piece

            @dfk41 they are not the only company who fudge figures I’ve had machines come from Europe with no important charges ….

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              It doesn’t, that’s a work around the vat OBS lol

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                dfk41 So, taking your conclusion a stage further Jake, which are the expensive parts of a Decent then?

                Ask Decent, not Jake

                dfk41 wouldn’t have a clue, I don’t manufacture them

                Don’t know why people have to get so bleeding defensive.

                There’s 8 billion people on this planet, if ¼ of those drinks coffee I’m sure there’s enough to share between all the coffee manufacturers.

                It’s getting to the stage where you can’t say a thing with some one jumping to the defense of a manufacturer

                End of the day I had an utterly shite experience with my evo2 and even tho I fed stuff back they were still sending faulty machines out rather than fix what needed to be done, even sent me stuff wrong the second time.

                That’s inexcusable to me, so yeah I’m salty and pissed at acs, what should of been a great experience ended up stressing me out,

                So when I buy a product that just works, with a great user experience from ordering, I will let people know.

                I don’t care about the mark up or the cost of components it’s got a 2 yr warranty. It breaks they fix it, I can then extend that for the rest of the machines life, not many companies are that confident in their machines.

                Decent are not perfect,the water container is marmite and the fact you have to buy a cover for it separately on a 3k machine is ridiculous. As is only getting one pf and basket, as they charge £100 for them !!

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                HarveyMushman

                Thr decent has such unrivalled capabilities for the tinkerer that it is in a class of its own but it looks and feels and sounds to me ike a PC with a touchscreen and a 1980s era dot matrix printer that has been modified to make coffee. To me, it just doesn’t offer what an ideal coffee making experience ought to be like. So while I respect and recognise what it can do and think that it will suit many people out there, it’s not for me and a spring lever is what moves me a lot more. Perhaps one day I will buy a strietman to see if the direct lever also appeals to me.