Jason1wood yes that was the goal, to give you some contrast. You need to go on your own journey, really.
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If its a Philos you want i may know where there is one if you don’t want new, with both burrs!! Will drop it in the classified once i decide. Duo or Philos will be for my wifes Decaf . Still 50 50 at this time which will be fie sale.
Haven’t seen the monstrosity of the north this year 🥰 (thats not a reference to David either) if it needed delivering .
Ade Smith. ACS Evo Leva v2. Kafatek Flat max 2, ssw 2024. Mazzer Philos, Craig Lyn HG-1 prime., WW key mk1.
Ultimately the best thing to do is usually to buy that machine which catches your imagination. Which is the one your heart really wants to have on your kitchen counter and to use every day?
Adrianmsmith I’m in. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Let me know Saturday when you leave David (sobbing as you load the Evo) and will call over on Sunday 🤐 @dfk41
Ade Smith. ACS Evo Leva v2. Kafatek Flat max 2, ssw 2024. Mazzer Philos, Craig Lyn HG-1 prime., WW key mk1.
Adrianmsmith I won’t be taking his pride and joy. Be interesting to see it in action but I now know where my money is going after all the advice here. 👌
HarveyMushman Someone posted a vid here a while back showing a transparent case version and it looked great.
I am a big fan of the transparent case option… the lights were easy to put in as the case just slides off.
Decent DE1 • Mazzer Philos
Ade Smith. ACS Evo Leva v2. Kafatek Flat max 2, ssw 2024. Mazzer Philos, Craig Lyn HG-1 prime., WW key mk1.
It’s an enlightening experience
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Dang it, if only I’d have known it made that difference.
I had a quick look at that lever on YouTube,
So it’s similar to a pavoni? But with a pid?
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Cuprajake No PID, just a good quality German thermostat, because the designer wanted a machine that needed little servicing or repairs. Unlike the Pavoni (which also has steam), it has an open boiler. A very simple design, for espresso purists who want a tactile experience and something that looks rather unique. It takes some practice to build up consistency, so it’s not something I’d recommend to most people.
could of swarn the reviewer said pid,
yeah its not something most would buy, very niche product. - for the purist and all
i mean being a purist, who need a temp gauge, pressure gauge room to fit a scale, just push your arm down jobs a goodun,
id say more pretentious then purist but each to their own.
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Hey, at least thet use it with a great grinder 🤪😬🤓
Ade Smith. ACS Evo Leva v2. Kafatek Flat max 2, ssw 2024. Mazzer Philos, Craig Lyn HG-1 prime., WW key mk1.
Yes, Im well aware it won’t appeal to many people. But it produces drinks that wow me, despite being so minimalist, even in the company of the highly-configurable Decent DE1. That’s enough for me to move the Decent on.
Worthy of note is that even Decent recognizes the fill rate of the DE1 is a limitation for puck compression, and is consequently introducing a new vibe pump setup on the Bengle that moves the max out to 12ml/s, later to be followed by a rotary pump that goes out to the 20ml/s range, alike the well-regarded 58mm machines.
The new batch or Argos looks good .
Still cant decide though!!
https://www.odysseyespresso.com/argos-lever-espresso-machine
Ade Smith. ACS Evo Leva v2. Kafatek Flat max 2, ssw 2024. Mazzer Philos, Craig Lyn HG-1 prime., WW key mk1.
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Adrianmsmith one of the things I love about the smaller groups is their ability to deliver texture and body, in spades:
That kind of shot needs a massive dose on a 58mm group, and a fast puck compression to avoid having to grind very fine and introduce bitterness into the shot.
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but lance said pressure is a red herring..goes to show theres just way to many ways to do this
whats the fill rate on the lever? i agree thicker pucks are better, i think sworks does a step down basket for a 58mm did you have one of these ones?
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Cuprajake but lance said pressure is a red herring..goes to show theres just way to many ways to do this
Lance says a lot of things, not always correct. I don’t think pressure is a red herring at all, lots of reasons for that.
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Cuprajake fill rate with the lever can be controlled, there’s virtually no drippage on incline, and then I sharp ramp to full pressure (which I’ve measured out past 30ml/s of ramp speed). I’ve found those two things make a massive difference to grind size needed. Can’t get those things the same way on a machine that both wets slowly and ramps to pressure gradually, even if headspace and puck depth is matched up.
Even Sheldon (Sworks) wont use his step-down basket on the DE1 - the Slayer he’s got outputs 20ml/s, so he gets shots he prefers from it. 
I’m glad you love the DE1. It’s a great machine, but I get better tasting espresso from the Streitman, which is enough for me to sell the DE1 and be open-minded about there being other machines and levers that can do what I personally want, better than it can.