@"DavecUK"#p12737 Thanks Dave.. interesting because it occurrs to me the Vesuvius plus a bluetooth connection and the right programming would be the perfect synthesis of build quality (ECM) innovation (Decent) all wrapped in a traditional E61 style body. Can you convince @"Paolo_Cortese"#90 to update it? I love mine, which I bought second hand largely on the basis of your reviews; its taken me a year but I think I've finally got the hang of it!

@"Grahamsphillips"#p13074 I'd put an order in for one of those!

> @"Grahamsphillips"#p13074 Can you convince [@Paolo_Cortese](https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/u/Paolo_Cortese) to update it? It would mean losing that lovely old, but proven super reliable main board…..

hi, could some one with a vesuvius with the wood/metal handle please email off my sig

I have a wooden handled bottomless pf (generic) that I bought for my Elizabeth then a barista pro IMS basket in it. Will this IMS basket fit the supplied bottomless pf that comes with the Vesuvius?

So, my Vesuvius arrived today. I didn’t want to start another thread and this looked like the most appropriate place to discuss my first day! It left Italy last Friday and arrived in my house today - 6 days, yipee! Mine was definitely used, the plastic was gone from it, there was dirt here and there, spilled water underneath the water tank and for some reason the pipes going onto the tank had a black residue of some sort on parts of them. The panel on top of the machine, where the cup test sits is pretty badly finished with dirty plastic covering it but doesn’t bother me. I didn’t pay for a brand new machine I guess!! Assembling was easy as the provided guide is comprehensive (remember the first thing you do is unscrew the four screws on the top of the side panels, no hammer or anything required) The Teflon furniture gliders I pre purchased are perfect for moving it around on the counter top. A bag of felt pads come with the machine. I put 1L through the group 200ml at a time with at least 15 seconds in between. I then emptied the service boiler twice as per manual. I noticed the shower screen had coffee on it so I soaked that in puly caff and gave a good wash. At this stage I only had time to pull 4 shots as I had to leave! I was close to dialled in by the fourth albeit a bit long but I took it with me in the car- I have to say it was very very nice. So I look forward to playing with it tomorrow. I thought I had a dodgy touch screen as it didn’t seem to respond some times but apparently there are different delay times for different choices on it.. phew..! Looks a stunning machine on the counter and I love the almost totally silent pump. I thought the water reservoir wasn’t the best design but I think I’ll get used to it and won’t have to be refilling it so often when I’m not flushing the system through and just using it to make coffee! It really is a different operation to the Elizabeth but I don’t think it will take long to get used to it. So, I can’t wait to drink coffee from it tomorrow

[upl-image-preview url=//i.imgur.com/cumOEwk.jpeg] I use this type of oil can to fill any of my machines with water.

@"DavecUK"#p13617 I ordered this one by someone’s recommendation on here: https://www.toolstation.com/laser-plastic-measuring-jug/p20428 Seems really ok although the spout is not very flexible

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@"prezes"#p13619 mines very similar and probably on something from nu-man, the image I found seems to have brewers droop.

I used a plastic 2 litre water bottle today!

Vesuvius Pressure Profiling Machine - General Discussion

Teaboy

DavecUK I have noticed more water too going into the drip tray, I back flush every day after coffee making is over and puly caff once a month then grease up cam etc. what springs etc will I need to buy please to cure the issue and where do they fit thank you.

John_Yossarian

@JahLaza This morning I carefully observed for how water was released during a shot. I too, use Profile 1, allegedly mimicking a lever machine. It reaches 11 bars too. In my case a saw a few drops only, which is in line with what @DavecUK mentioned about the OPV being set at 11.5-12.5 bars. Good luck with sorting it out.

JahLaza

Tried it this morning with profile 5 which peaks at 9 bar, no discharge at all to drip tray.

JahLaza

DavecUK I have been very careful how I reassembled it, but there is only one spring in the Vesuvius right? The pre infusion one is absent by design so it’s just the very bottom one? I have the pump speed down around 190 also as it was overshooting past 11 bar, I made this change a number of weeks ago so it’s not really going past 11.2 bar or so now I think

The lever action has been stiff for venting after regreasing for a long time now. That was why I actually took the vent section apart last week as I was tedious about applying molycote - ensured surfaces were bone dry etc.

So, I’ve two issues, excessive discharge at higher pressures and the stiff lever less of a concern but I would obviously like to address

JahLaza

DavecUK I have noticed when I examined each section that it was very difficult to manually push down the internals of the very bottom piece of the pipe as in the pic below (taken from your site) is there an internal part to this as this was the stiffest part of the whole assembly and the only possible source of an issue I could see?

Adrianmsmith

JahLaza

Trying to find a photo to help you, but, I have to say yours looks a week old!! It’s “too clean”. 🤓☕

Mine had been descaled badly and I assume the solution left in for weeks (as it was stored after the descaled) and all the chrome on the internal parts had been dissolved off and scattered around like glitter. The obsession for descaling I’m sure causes more issues than it solves.

But after a thorough clean and soaking the springs and e61 parts in cafiza for a while it all worked perfectly. Yours in comparison looks like a new machine. 🤓

DavecUK

JahLaza it was very difficult to manually push down the internals of the very bottom piece of the pipe as in the pic below (taken from your site) is there an internal part to this as this was the stiffest part of the whole assembly and the only possible source of an issue I could see?

That’s how it should be, you are pushing against a spring that should be exerting a strong force against that, as it’s holding the vent valve closed. When you lower the lever to vent the group, that action pushes down on that lower vent valve and opens it.

Check the seat is clean on both the lower tube and the valve face that pushes against it. Also run a test at 10 bar constant pressure and see if it still opens?

JahLaza

Adrianmsmith I do like to keep stuff clean ok!

JahLaza

DavecUK Apologies in advance, this will be obvious to you but this is my first E61! The lower tube is the one circled below yes? This is all one piece. The valve seat you mention, is this internal to this tube? I cannot get at it. None of the other moving parts are really in contact with anything really, and I had applied molycote to any that sit against the walls of the tube

JahLaza

DavecUK 10 bar straight discharged for the entire shot see video below. It actually shot up to 11.3 bar and then settled around 10.3 for the most of the shot. Could it be some bit of debris in the brew circuit again (that happened last year I posted on here) would that affect the 9 bar shot also?

Edit: I checked and pump speed is at 190, pid settings are as factory default

DavecUK

JahLaza The tube you circled is not where the valve seals. Clearly the vent valve is the wrong way up, but the red arrows show the valves viton seal and the seat is inside the tube, also shown with a red arrow. Check they are clean.

Adrianmsmith

sorry thats the worst quality photo, but thats the order…..

use a cocktail stick in the bottom,or your circled bit see if you get the seat out and clean it

my yellow circle is showing “no spring” as some had tried to re-add it

JahLaza

Adrianmsmith thanks, yes the seat in my circles piece seems somewhat jammed,it’s back together now but I’ll try again later, I reckon a cocktail stick will break straight away. Can it be pushed out of the casing some way?

Adrianmsmith

JahLaza

Maybe @DavecUK has something to hand to help you. That’s the only photo I could find and no longer have it .

Also check the orientation of all of your parts. … See differences in my and your picture

JahLaza

Adrianmsmith apologies for the confusion I’ve caused with that, the valve circled below was oriented the opposite way when in use and when I replaced

JahLaza

DavecUK yes, it was the wrong way up in the picture I took, it was the right way up anytime it’s been in place. Thanks for informing the identity of the valves.

my question was then on to the very bottom piece/tube/barrel, is there any internal part in that? If yes, can that be removed?

L’autre problem - what’s your thoughts on the straight 10 bar shot? It’s discharging water to the drip tray excessively for the entire shot. Many thanks in advance

Adrianmsmith

JahLaza

Also I believe the picture shows the other parts in the correct orientation.

JahLaza

Adrianmsmith ok, cool, that’s what I was trying to figure, because I think the part you circled red is causing my issue, and I was wondering how I might remove it. According to your diagram I should be able to remove it from the top of the barrel?

Adrianmsmith

JahLaza

Adrianmsmith ok, tongue in cheek! Please appreciate my ignorance in the E61 arena!! I disassembled again, easily removed that piece which I see just sits there and couldn’t be contributing to my issue! I changed the spring for the spare one supplied by acs which is longer but has less tension, and that has resolved the issue although it’s a little too loose id say, so, the issue was the spring me thinks.Apologies to you and @DavecUK for all my questions on that 😌

DavecUK

JahLaza The spring you used was the longer preinfusion spring that is normally not used. They leave it in the bag in case you with to enable the preinfusion chamber for some reason.

Adrianmsmith

JahLaza

It’s not a spare. Count the turns on the ones you have against my picture and ensure the correct springs are used. The “spare” is from the un-mod’d preinfusion chamber.

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